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Dj Tomer
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Calgary, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Subey
The dominant symbol in Canada is... a RED LEAF
This has been Canada's symbol for 80+ years (please check 1920s Olympic Hockey Jerseys)

Now the first European to set foot in Canada was...

LEIF son of Eric the RED


The maple leaf

Well before the coming of the first European settlers, Canada's aboriginal peoples had discovered the food properties of maple sap, which they gathered every spring. According to many historians, the maple leaf began to serve as a Canadian symbol as early as 1700.

Following are some examples of how the maple leaf grew in public consciousness as a symbol of our country until it finally became official on February 15, 1965, as an integral component of the national flag of Canada.

In 1834, Ludger Duvernay is reported to have proposed the maple leaf as an emblem of Canada when the Société Saint-Jean-Baptiste was founded on June 24 of that year.

In 1836, Le Canadien, a newspaper published in Lower Canada, referred to it as a suitable emblem for Canada.

In August 1860, at a public meeting held in Toronto, the maple leaf was adopted as the national emblem of Canada for use in the decorations for the Prince of Wales' visit.

In 1867, Alexander Muir, a Toronto schoolmaster and poet, composed the song The Maple Leaf Forever.

In 1914, many Canadian soldiers wore the maple leaf on their military badges, and it was the dominant symbol used by many Canadian regiments serving in the Great War (World War I).

In 1939, at the beginning of World War II, numerous Canadian troops once again used the maple leaf as a distinctive emblem, displaying it on regimental badges and Canadian army and naval equipment.

Red and white: Canada's national colours

History records that in the first crusade, Bohemund I, a Norman lord, had red crosses cut from his mantles and distributed to the 12,000 crusaders, who then wore them as a distinctive badge on their garments.

In subsequent crusades, each nation was distinguished by a cross of a different colour. France long had a red cross on its banners while England used a white cross. Time and again in history, red and white are found as the colours of France or of England.

Red and white were approved as Canada's official colours in the proclamation of the royal arms of Canada in 1921 by King George V.

In 1957, the colour of the maple leaves on the shield of the Royal Arms of Canada was changed from green on a white ground to red on a white ground in recognition of Canada's official colours.

quote:
Originally posted by Subey
Now a rational mind like yours must find that to be a bit of coincidence no?


A rational mind would find that a coincidence, but would also find an explanation, while a religious mind would say something half assed like, god wanted it that way


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tathi
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quote:
Originally posted by Subey
This pattern is true only within an evolutionary cycle.

Look at it this way.
Paganism is to preteen
as
Monotheism is to teen.
as
X is to adult.

I'm getting restless. It's time to move out.


Paganism is to preteen
Monotheism is to teen
X is to adult yokel
Atheism / Secular Humanism is to highly educated adult

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zig
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quote:
Originally posted by Subey
This pattern is true only within an evolutionary cycle.

But each cycle starts the process over again. At the end of the Pagan era there was incredible diversity in the number of Gods. They were then swallowed up in Monotheism.

At the end of the Monotheistic era there is incredible diversity in the number of sects. Will they too not be swallowed up in whatever comes next?

***

Look at it this way.
Paganism is to preteen
as
Monotheism is to teen.
as
X is to adult.

I'm getting restless. It's time to move out.



I know people are pissed with you or something..reading through this thread and others i have participated in...im not really doubting your conviction..but basically i dont understand your answers.

I try to make my answers as simple as possible and rarely need analogies to make a point.

Analogies are basically the process of making arguements from your accepted known and trying to make another similarity between my accepted known.

But if you maybe just answered the questions or counter points of view with a direct answer as best you can without analogies that might help for a start,and then possibly we can all have a proper discussion..without everyone getting cheesed off with your answers.

But im not cheesed of yet..k

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Sykonee
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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Subey
Yes, the Atheist.. another problem entirely. Let's see.

You live in Canada.
The dominant symbol in Canada is... a RED LEAF
This has been Canada's symbol for 80+ years (please check 1920s Olympic Hockey Jerseys)

Now the first European to set foot in Canada was...

LEIF son of Eric the RED

Now a rational mind like yours must find that to be a bit of coincidence no? Think of all the people who could have stepped on Canada's soil first? And it just happens to be a guy whose name matches up EXACTLY with your national symbol...

You can certainly remain in your tower, behind your locked door and whisper through the key hole "my world view demands that I interpret that as a coincidence and nothing more..."

By your logic, then, the original pre-history Natives who crossed the Bering Land Bridge and settled into Canada 9,000 years earlier should have names that bare more of a striking resemblence to our national flag than Eric "The Red" Thorvaldson and Leif "The Lucky" Erikson, which would be an amazing coincidence considering the Native American language bears virtually no resemblence to the Normandy language.


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Radagast
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quote:
Originally posted by CynepMeH
I liked the islamic fundamentalists' explanation:

the tsunami was caused by underwater nuclear testing by US, UK or Israel.



9.0 earthquake = 32,000 megaton yield

Most powerful tested nuclear device in human history = 50 megaton yield


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quote:
Originally posted by zig


GU Rat... while it was fun watching the multitude of ways in which you lace your posts with poison I must devote my time mining richer veins.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sykonee
By your logic, then, the original pre-history Natives who crossed the Bering Land Bridge and settled into Canada 9,000 years earlier should have names that bare more of a striking resemblence to our national flag than Eric "The Red" Thorvaldson and Leif "The Lucky" Erikson, which would be an amazing coincidence considering the Native American language bears virtually no resemblence to the Normandy language.


By your logic, then, you are able to take an aboriginal language in existence today and determine what the root language sounded like 9000 years ago?


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I have an analogy there was a pidgon which though it was an eagle flying above everyone else and enjoyed looking down on everything/everybody from its high and mighty position but if it stoped looking down and enjoying the view it might have noticed the other birds, and also noticed it was wayyyyy off topic, sorry course.

...and maybe it might have lernt something from them.


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Subey
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quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
I have an analogy there was a pidgon which though it was an eagle flying above everyone else and enjoyed looking down on everything/everybody from its high and mighty position but if it stoped looking down and enjoying the view it might have noticed the other birds, and also noticed it was wayyyyy off topic, sorry course.

...and maybe it might have lernt something from them.


Alright. Its somewhat artificial but...

In this thread you questioned the logic of one of my posts. I replied saying

quote:
Originally posted by Subey
This pattern is true only within an evolutionary cycle.

But each cycle starts the process over again.
...etc...etc...


You now know my answer to your point. Reword my answer in such a way that you will not interpret it as being disdainful.

I can't see what part bothered you? Was it the "teen" and "preteen" comment? Perhaps you misinterpreted that. Those terms refered to the development of civilisation with respect to god. Meaning that we live in God's house, and we've been growing up and its just about time to move out.


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smokeape
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I didn't see the God which said "Good Riddance". The poor and ignorant need to be wiped out in large numbers every now and then. Haven't heard yet a reason why the people lost in the tsunami in these third world backwaters will be missed in the advancement of world society. It's like they didn't even count to begin with...
We didn't seem to count the thousands upon thousands we slaughtered by genocide which paled casualties in the tsunami either...


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Sykonee
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Location: Vancouver, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Subey
By your logic, then, you are able to take an aboriginal language in existence today and determine what the root language sounded like 9000 years ago?

Of course not.

However, since you seem to think it's more than a coincidence that the Viking explorer and his father who first set foot on the land that would later be known as Canada would one day have a flag that would contain elements similar to their namesakes, then I have to assume you also believe that since whomever first landed on Japan had a son, that island nation could have no choice but to eventually create a flag that had a sun. Same logic here, my friend.

I ain't buyin' it.


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Subey
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quote:
Originally posted by Sykonee
then I have to assume you also believe that


Why do you have to assume that? I've made no statements about carbon copying that link with any other nations.

You can certainly tell me how you don't see that rule apply in other situations but I've never said it was a rule.

Likewise if I throw a single "coincidence" on the table is it really fair to assume I expect you to "buy" anything or establish a "rule"?


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