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Originally posted by NYGblue Your frustrations are certainly not without merits. I was appalled by the anti-semitism in France while I was studying in Europe. People getting attacked on the subway, houses and temples being vandalized and the such. However, just because it is on the rise doesn't mean you have to be a paranoid McCarthy-like worry wart. Look I don't think many people on this board (and I could be wrong) really HATE jews for being jews. I think the people that are very vocal about there dislike of the Israeli government and Sharon do so because of their personal stake in the matter. I mean there were some clear realities on why the civil war of sorts broke out in 2000. It wasn't just because of anti-semitism, though, I am sure that was the case for some. A lot of it was economic, and the political treatment many Palestinians were receiving. That region has to be the most emotionally charged area in the world. The problems are magnifyingly more complicated than most make it out to be here and in the newspapers, talkradio shows, and news channels. However, I would be careful before accusing people of being anti-semitic. Especially (and I say this as a major generalization and Europeans should not take this as an offense) in the United States and ESPECIALLY in the Northeast. I am not saying it doesn't exist however it isn't prevalent by any means. I come from NJ and numerous elected officials at the state level are jewish, Michael Bloomberg, so on and so forth. You have every right to worry about the rise of anti-semitism but that also doesn't mean that you cry wolf just because people's opinions differ from yours. I for one hold no loyalties to anyone on this matter or any other. I avoid associating with ideologies to give all views fair and equal treatment and though. You should do the same.

Call me paranoid but I am alarmed. If you saw crimes against Hispanics on the rise - I'm sure you'd be vocal about it. US is not as bad as some of the other places, simply because people have other things to do. But it doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist - it does, it's just lurking under the surface.

Of course - Israel is a big bad wolf, because it destroys Palestinian homes. Yet I don't know of a recent time when Israel ventured in the "refugee camps" without a reason. No country would stand by while attacks took place - why should Israel be any different or treated differently? Do you see IDF firing missles unless fired upon or face known/imminent danger?

Double standards against Israel are well known and documented. I am sickened by the ignorance and lopsided arguments that are presented when Israel/Palestinian conflict is discussed. So, I am offering an alternative view at the problem. Using your own words - avoid associating with ideologies and give all views fair and equal treatment. Fair enough?

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Originally posted by Sunquest Does anyone else think melodic trance is dying?

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Originally posted by Swamper Trance is dead. All the people listening to it now are dead too. Registered Ghosts: 43,900 217,667 threads in total | 3,722,184 posts in total Currently Active Dead Users: 608

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fair treatement? Give me a break. And give the palestinians their land and dignity back if Israel's so fair.

I agree with Sharon. The Jews got royally f*cked during WWII and there's no disputing the fact. His opinions skew when he tries to relate those times with modern day where the bigotry is just not there like it used to be and he can't seem to realize he's not being persecuted any more. It's akin to blacks in the US who went through Freedom Marches, etc. back in the 60s and still believe they're only second rate citizens. My belief is that if you want to act second rate, then we have no problem treating you as such...


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Originally posted by smokeape It's akin to blacks in the US who went through Freedom Marches, etc. back in the 60s and still believe they're only second rate citizens. My belief is that if you want to act second rate, then we have no problem treating you as such... [[[smoke]]]

I don't know you so I am going to assume you are joking because otherwise you are completely devoid of reality in your own country which would be sorry at best.

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Originally posted by smokeape The Jews got royally f*cked during WWII and there's no disputing the fact.

Yes I completely agree with that and there is no question about that. It's completely f*cking unfair and f*cked up. I never disagreed with that.
BUT, that in no way implies disagreeing with or criticizing Israeli policy makes one anti-semetic.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Fair treatement? Give me a break. And give the palestinians their land and dignity back if Israel's so fair.

You can't "give" somebody their dignity back. It has to be earned.
Heres a suggestion: perhaps stop terror, you might regain some of that human diginty.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yes I completely agree with that and there is no question about that. It's completely f*cking unfair and f*cked up. I never disagreed with that. BUT, that in no way implies disagreeing with or criticizing Israeli policy makes one anti-semetic.

It's one thing to disagree with the policy of the country. Another thing is to state that Israel should negotiate with Palestinians when they are firing missles.

How do you envision it?

Palestinians: "Take that Zionist bastards! here's a missle -- bang! here's a homocidal bomber! boom! Give us our land!"

Israel: "Um... yes, please - take it take it, just stop bombing!"

Palestinians: "Yea, not only we want our land, we want you to get the hell out of Jerusalem and all of the land! It is ours!"

Israel: "Sure, just give us a minute to pack up, will ya?"

Palestinians: "No, we keep firing until no one is left. Oh, and be sure to leave your forwarding address, so we know where to come to kick you out of next"


Is that how you envision it?

Look, we can argue till the cows come home but bottom line is:

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The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact, the Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the conflict. In fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the Middle East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians. The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!. The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom. It is nothing more than genocidal hatred of Jews! The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968, and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the Middle East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria and Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an Arab-Israeli war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also in large part a war between barbarism and civilization. In many ways an Islamic religious jihad against the Jews.

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Originally posted by Sunquest Does anyone else think melodic trance is dying?

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Originally posted by Swamper Trance is dead. All the people listening to it now are dead too. Registered Ghosts: 43,900 217,667 threads in total | 3,722,184 posts in total Currently Active Dead Users: 608

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by h@x0r If not - she's not Jew, besides, she's already not a Jew - as copulating with a goyim is a violation of one of our commandments.

You embarrass me as a Jew. Why the hell do you post this in the first place? Looking for people to say something bad about Sharon so you can flame them for being Anti Semites?
You're a god damn joke if you really believe what is quoted above. I'm Jewish and I both don't like Sharon, nor care about the situation all that much.

God we need some more liberal Jews on this board.

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer You embarrass me as a Jew. Why the hell do you post this in the first place? Looking for people to say something bad about Sharon so you can flame them for being Anti Semites? You're a god damn joke if you really believe what is quoted above. I'm Jewish and I both don't like Sharon, nor care about the situation all that much. God we need some more liberal Jews on this board.

Dude, you're the reason why Judaism is in trouble. As the saying goes, "You are the weakest link". Stop embarassing all the Jews by saying you're a Jew - YOU'RE A FUCKING GOY, a fucking poser. Calling yourself a Jew is disrespectful to millions of Jews that died, so that moron like you could actually live.

You're worse than the enemy - because its spineless liberals like you who become traitors and sell out the rest of Jews all over the world.

The only wise thing you could possibly do at this stage in time is - DON'T EVER REPRODUCE or convert to another religion if you're so ashamed to be a Jew! You are not worthy of even being called a Jew if the mitzvot mean nothing to you. Or do you go by the belief that there were only 10 Commandments?

I'm ashamed to know that if you're really a Jew and not some half-breed that you'd actually believe in what you're saying!

Here - spend some time here, get some knowledge before you venture back here to proclaim you're Jewish:


http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

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Originally posted by Sunquest Does anyone else think melodic trance is dying?

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Originally posted by Swamper Trance is dead. All the people listening to it now are dead too. Registered Ghosts: 43,900 217,667 threads in total | 3,722,184 posts in total Currently Active Dead Users: 608

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i thought this is gonna be yet another boring friday night

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