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Wraith
I want that one...



Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Palos Hills, IL

Why do you even argue about it?? You're friend is a knob head and, sorry to say this, but you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag. It all comes down to one basic point. It's music you like and if you like it why the fook does it matter that your friend thinks it's talentless. Shit, 99% of the popular bands out today are tripe regurgitating the same shit sound over and over and over. Listen to what you like and if your friend has issues with it then that's his problem.

Old Post Jan-27-2005 05:13  United States
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Ory
I like big... robots



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Stockholm
Re: Please read this and tell my friend he is wrong

quote:
Originally posted by RickyM
"What am I a f*cking clown? You think I'm here to amuse you?" says:
if it doesnt take much to make a trance track then why dont you

"What am I a f*cking clown? You think I'm here to amuse you?" says:
why dont you get a track signed?

"What am I a f*cking clown? You think I'm here to amuse you?" says:
and get it played on AVB's radio show?


lol.

Dickhead. No, actually, you're both dickheads. Why?

You say not just anyone can make a decent trance track. Well guess what, most everything on ASOT was "decent", if even that. People who get signed to them labels you're talking about have no skill nor fresh ideas, but because of Armin's low standards, people are made believe that this crappy fluff is actually... good.

Dee. Feeted.


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quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

Old Post Jan-27-2005 21:50  Afghanistan
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RickyM
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Registered: Sep 2004
Location: Northern Ireland
Re: Re: Please read this and tell my friend he is wrong

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
lol.

Dickhead. No, actually, you're both dickheads. Why?

You say not just anyone can make a decent trance track. Well guess what, most everything on ASOT was "decent", if even that. People who get signed to them labels you're talking about have no skill nor fresh ideas, but because of Armin's low standards, people are made believe that this crappy fluff is actually... good.

Dee. Feeted.



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Old Post Jan-27-2005 22:34  United Kingdom
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fitom tiel
spectacular



Registered: Apr 2003
Location: down in it

quote:
Originally posted by criticalpath
What's up with all these trance threads lately?



i wonder.


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Stephenox
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Dallas, TX TA #34

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
Its a matter of apples and oranges.

He thinks he's right because he places a higher value on maunal skill, suck as pickng and fret use. Guitar playing is tough, but most contemporary guitar plays memorize chords and strum. A few others might show off their fretting while playing weak music. A unique few have skills with both, and come to be known as the generation's greatest. Point out that your friend is listening to no one who is doing anything new. Theyre all ripping off someone else in an attempt to get rich.

Meanwhile, the same thing is going on in trance music: People pumping out assembly line tunes to become rich, while a population gobbles it all up hoping to be counter culture (counter-culture has always been "cool", but as American cultures chews things up faster and faster, it is becoming increasingly harder to be counter to anything, or to be a part of something culture hasn't spit out). Some trance artists create ingenious beats and melodies. Other trance creators make incredible sounds and provide memorable moments with their engineering. There are also a select few who can do both, outside of any musical context, and these become our generation's landmarks. This is due to your higher value on the ability to organize: A trance producer must compose a song for every instrument, while perfecting (or in many cases, tweaking) sounds for use. This doesnt take much manual skill, but is arguably more thought provoking.

Either way, it's making music, and if the music fits your mood or the general atmosphere, what's the problem?


(This is not a response against you, rather simply my thoughts along the same line.)

Yes, playing a guitar (well) requires more "manual" talent and technique than producing a trance song, but look at it this way... Producing trance is more of a thinking man's "game." When you produce trance, you are not just exercising your hands with certain techniques, playing certain things. You are deciding how to shape this up, how to shape that out, rough this end up, or add an effect here, or create this sound here.

Whereas the guitar player doesn't actually process his music masterfully to be heard through a media format (CD, for example), the trance producer usually does so, to some extent. Sure, a guitar player must play masterfully live, but that is more performance and showing off things that sound and look cool on demand, instead of a step-by-step thinking process. They both require certain skill, so you cannot say that producing trance takes less skill simply because it is done more at the producer's leisure. As others who don't appreciate EDM say it is a bunch of random computer sounds, those who produce trance know it is actually a very creative thinking process. You can make a "trance song" in some sequencer easily; it just won't sound that good. Indeed, anyone can make a crappy trance song. Then in the same vein, anyone can make a crappy rock song. And many do. (which is not an insult against skilled guitarists)


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November
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Byhåla
Re: Please read this and tell my friend he is wrong

He's wrong..
Hope I made your day..ehrr week ..ehum month..year whatever

Regardless.. Why do you care so much?
I sure would'nt..


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criticalpath
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2004
Location: nor*cal

quote:
Originally posted by fitom tiel
i wonder.


You just pulled a dubya. Can I worship you now?

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KilldaDJ
birth.school.trance.death



Registered: Sep 2001
Location: tranceaddict wants to know your location

quote:
Originally posted by Redd
Just tell him to piss off. I promise you, there is no convincing him he's wrong about anything. I've tried like a billion times, and I've figured out what you should. There is no point.

The fact that something is easy to do doesn't automatically make it worse than anything else. If anyone can make a decent tune then great, technology has done this by giving us the tools to make it happen. It's not like text on paper was so much better before than they are now, thanks to the typewriter/computer. How about computerized art/pictures? There are so many things you can do on a computer that you cant with a brush or a pencil, and a computer can almost imitate any form of brushes etc. Of course, it doesn't replace the old way, but it's certainly not any "less good"?

bla bla bla


i dont know why i found reading that so funny. possibly stoned LOL


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twisted
happy technomad



Registered: Apr 2004
Location:

you said a trance song cannot be played live..

you dont even know enough shit about electronic music to argue your point.

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Shudder
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Sep 2000
Location:

quote:
Originally posted by twisted
you said a trance song cannot be played live..

you dont even know enough shit about electronic music to argue your point.


lol. dee feated?


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Sykonee
Supreme EMCritic



Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada

I didn't read that whole thing but I got the general gist of it. Here's what you do:

Arguement 1: Trance all sounds the same.
Solution: Introduce him to the wide world of Oliver Lieb. Specifically Spicelab and L.S.G.

Arguement 2: Trance takes no skill to make; unlike rock because it takes musical talent to play a guitar.
Solution: Introduce him to the likes of Juno Reactor (uses guitars infrequently), S.U.N. Project (uses guitars a lot), and the buttrock goa sub-genre (tons of guitars).


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aeron
Junior tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Brunei

the hunter bcomes the hunted!! XD

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