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Originally posted by MarkT the Beer Store.

That's already private. It's a co-op between major brewers.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by MarkT but why should we deregulate and sell off profitable government operations? Sure, a lot of that revenue is tax...but let's not kid ourselves here, there's a shitload of profit there too. I'm fine with that going into our coffers instead of some guy's pocket.

Im not saying we should sell off liquor stores but healthy competition never hurts. look what happened when the phone monopoly was busted up! I rememeber 15 years ago we paid 75 cents a minute to call the US!! Not only that but now we have much more choice. If you are all for the government making sole profit on a product outright then maybe the government should open walmarts and ban private dept stores too!

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My main disagreement with Jayx1...while I *definitely* do think that more responsibility needs to be put onto individuals, I don't feel that shifting any responsibility away from proprietors is beneficial at all.

im not saying ALL responsibilty should be taken away but definately should for people caught with fake ID. Right now the person with fake ID gets off and the club is responsible. Thats BS.

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If someone is clearly wasted, they should be cut off...does the bar/club have to follow the person around and make sure their friends don't buy them a drink? no. I don't think there should be unconditional liability for proprietors, but in being licensed to serve alcohol, a drug, I don't have a problem with them being forced to serve it in a responsible manner as well. Profit motivation needs to be kept in check a little...the last thing we need are wait staff saying "aw come on, why not have one more" instead of cutting someone off

they should definately serve in a responsible manner but at the same time its up to the individual to know his limits. I dont think the host should be liable if someone drinks at their place and then goes out and drinks and drives. Thats 3rd part blame and its wrong. Unless it can be proven that that person FORCED alcohol on the driver, the driver should be the sole person responsible. If i ever ended up in a 3rd party situation like that id make the case that they would have to prove that a) the booze was mine b) all the booze was consumed on my property c) i was negligent

Try and prove that buddy didnt down a 40 after he left my place.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by baystreetboi I for one don't hear of any stories of exceptional numbers of drunkards roaming the streets in the wee hours as a result of increased availability any more than what already occurs here.

Yes but the theory around here goes that Ontarians are less capable of behaving like adults then the rest of the world. Sadly the government here also thinks this way. I personally take it as a huge insult.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

You should start your own country.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 alberta prices are cheaper?

Alberta prices arent much cheaper. maybe a few(max 5%) percent, but its the LPST that adds extra cost out here.

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Originally posted by j_spot Alberta prices arent much cheaper. maybe a few(max 5%) percent, but its the LPST that adds extra cost out here.

However you can get way more selection on brands in Alberta.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 However you can get way more selection on brands in Alberta.

yes, for that and the fact that liquor stores can stay open until 2 am(when last call is) I think liqour should be deregulated.

the govt can still have their hand in the pot, and if they provide the service better than private industry it will be fine.
but we all know that the govt stores will fail, while private ones excel.

I WANT MY RED SQUARED RELOADED!
(vodka cola drink that tastes like vodka redbull)
I contacted LCBO about ordering a case. They said since I found it in alberta, they wont have to import from the UK, but the price for once case(24) was so high I didnt even reply to it.

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Originally posted by j_spot but we all know that the govt stores will fail, while private ones excel.

Well then let them fail. If they fail they shouldnt be open in the first place.

I say bring on the competition. The only people who win are the consumers.


If competition came into affect id still go to the LCBO when i wanted expert knowledge on wine etc. But id go to the corner store for beer.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

and you wouldnt have to go to separate stores to get your beer and spirits(that is the most retarded system ever)

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i think we should make this an election issue...

Time to repeal our liquor laws

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Good post.

I pretty much agree with everything you said except this:

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Id also allow private companies to import whatever brand was in demand as long as proper duty was paid. Right now we have the government of Ontario deciding which brands can and cannot be sold. Pretty communist if you ask me.

The LCBO has an extensive and rigorous testing process that they put all the liquor through. It makes me feel alot better to know that I am getting nothing but the highest quality ingredients out there, even if I am paying a little more. There is some pretty cheap shit liquor out there. If the suppliers were allowed to sell anything, I think that the quality of the alcohol would diminish.

There should always be some sort of standard set in terms of quality.

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