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Originally posted by Prestige_Beatz all of you people in here are dumb. instead of bragging around why dont you go back to your countries and help building it up in the east. 1. lets get this st8...politics as of today are that way because of the after effects of WW2. as the psychology goes... the loser of a war is always the stupid one...the winner will never enrich the loser in any way. 2. nazism ... lets called it national solicalism if you ppl dont konw. intened to reestablish and profit for the one country. not only based on war and hatred how some ppl stated in here. 3. comunism is theory. it does not work out because people have a private and personal ego and are not all the same. plus in the sovjet union over 12 million russians and jews died in the russian holocaust under stalin. wonder why nobody brings that up...probgably because russia does not have any money and doesnt work like germany like an atm account for israel. i shouldnt even waste my time in here in those ignorant forums...damn you people have no life or idea of politics whatsoever

Well why don't YOU fuck of back to England, Ireland or Spain or wherever it is YOU come from and help build that country up!?

You talk some shit mate and that makes me chuckle seein as you proclaim everyone here is dumb and knows sod all bout politics (what makes you think your an expert anyway?!)

What the hell does "politics as of today are that way because of the after effects of WW2" mean?!

And here's the icing on the cake that confines you to the waste basket of all those "dumb" people who try to talk about communism...

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comunism is theory

Bloody hell...so far so good...but...

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it does not work out because people have a private and personal ego and ARE NOT ALL THE SAME

Why do people insist that communism means identicle clones?! But you dont stop there do you mate?!...

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plus in the sovjet union over 12 million russians and jews died in the russian holocaust under stalin

And what exactly has the actions of this fascist, totalitarian dictator got to do with communism? [C]ommunism I will give you, but explain to me how Stalin's ideas of ruling a country fit in with MARXIST theory (thats communism with a little "c" if you didn't know)

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probgably because russia does not have any money and doesnt work like germany like an atm account for israel

Er...nuff said really

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i shouldnt even waste my time in here

No...you shouldn't really should you?

Thankyou please come again!

Oh yea, welcome to the boards mate!

well thank you...besides explaining me some terms you didnt really have a poin mate lol

the results of ww2 are found everywhere today... united states - israel alliance, holocaust is an atm machine for israel, ny 9/11, the israel war in iraq, the competition that is going onbetween europe and the us by inflating europe with immigrants and applying the american culture over there... there are many effects my friend.

you must feel really smart posting allyour funny quotes lol and i dont consider myself an expert but i know enough to make my statements. your welcome :-)

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Originally posted by Prestige_Beatz well thank you...besides explaining me some terms you didnt really have a poin mate lol the results of ww2 are found everywhere today... united states - israel alliance, holocaust is an atm machine for israel, ny 9/11, the israel war in iraq, the competition that is going onbetween europe and the us by inflating europe with immigrants and applying the american culture over there... there are many effects my friend. you must feel really smart posting allyour funny quotes lol and i dont consider myself an expert but i know enough to make my statements. your welcome :-)

Of course this world would not be the same if it were not for that particular outcome of WW2 but to say that policies are driven due to the experience of that war is way off the mark. The Israel-US allience is born out of the Cold War (in fact it is the Cold War that drives most [realist] thinking today not WW2). And it is for that reason Israel gets loads of aid (and that only really kicked off after the Six Day War when America realised what an ally Israel could be in the Cold War, again, not nothing to do with WW2)

I'm at a loss as to explain 9/11 on WW2? Perhaps you can elaborate?

"The Israel war in Iraq" - what Israel war in Iraq?

"the competition that is going onbetween europe and the us by inflating europe with immigrants and applying the american culture over there" - what? and not only 'what', what does that, whatever it means, have to do with WW2?

"there are many effects my friend" - of course there are many affects (the EU for one) but to say that politics today is governed by WW2 is wrong (unless you use the same annalergy to say that the crumbling of the Roman empire also has the same affect on politics today?)

"you must feel really smart posting allyour funny quotes" - yea they are funny aren't they? They're YOUR quotes!!

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Originally posted by occrider Good goals such as the elimination of the bourgious as the scapegoat for societal problems? Hmmmm those good intentions remind me of some of the initial good intentions of national socialism. Funny how things have a way of turning out right? Also funny how good intentioned communism resulted in 5 times as many deaths as ill intentioned national socialism. But it's all about intentions and goals? Might want to read up on NSDAP history. Quite leftist in it's call for redistribution of income and war profits, profit-sharing in large industries, nationalization of trusts, increases in old-age pensions and free education. Unsurprisingly they're fundamentally very similar with one advancing unity under nationality whith the other advancing unity under the proletariat. And with all that unity, every other group in between is excluded. They're political symbols. Banning them makes about as much sense as banning the confederate flag.

i'm talking about communism in theory not communism in practice. i know i'm not as well-read in politics as you are but i do have a basic understanding.

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Originally posted by Prestige_Beatz all of you people in here are dumb. instead of bragging around why dont you go back to your countries and help building it up in the east.

And how exactly do you know where each one of us is living? I for instance am living in my home country. Many of us are.

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1. lets get this st8...politics as of today are that way because of the after effects of WW2.

To a degree, yes. But even without the WW2, the world would probably end up in a similar way.

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as the psychology goes... the loser of a war is always the stupid one...the winner will never enrich the loser in any way. 2. nazism ... lets called it national solicalism if you ppl dont konw. intened to reestablish and profit for the one country. not only based on war and hatred how some ppl stated in here.

Yes, nazism is not based only on hatred of other races, and yes, the system did have positive effects on Germany's industry, but overall racial hatred is among its prime foundations.

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3. comunism is theory. it does not work out because people have a private and personal ego and are not all the same. plus in the sovjet union over 12 million russians and jews died in the russian holocaust under stalin. wonder why nobody brings that up...probgably because russia does not have any money and doesnt work like germany like an atm account for israel.

Yes, but we must take a note at two things here. First is that communism treats people equally, something that nazism doesn't. Second is that the version of paranoid autocratic communism introduced by Stalin is not what was originally intended. It's like saying democracy sucks because of the state of affairs in Democratic Republic of Kongo.

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i shouldnt even waste my time in here in those ignorant forums...damn you people have no life or idea of politics whatsoever

Good thing you signed up here then.

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Originally posted by Prestige_Beatz well thank you...besides explaining me some terms you didnt really have a poin mate lol the results of ww2 are found everywhere today... united states - israel alliance, holocaust is an atm machine for israel, ny 9/11, the israel war in iraq, the competition that is going onbetween europe and the us by inflating europe with immigrants and applying the american culture over there... there are many effects my friend. you must feel really smart posting allyour funny quotes lol and i dont consider myself an expert but i know enough to make my statements. your welcome :-)

Those things you mentioned are effects of cold war, not WW2. Even if there woulnd't have been a WW2, there would most likely still be a cold war.

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I would say not the cold war BUT WW2 drives probably not most of your realist thinking today but its the most important. Because of such things as forming alliances the us, uk, france had the main part is the holocaust.
Israel is the only country profitting from that cause. In germany free speech has turned from banned to prohibited. If you say such things as the holocaust wasnt technically possible or there werent as much people killed as they say... you ARE going to jail or get a huge fine. Germany is turning to the example of a government controlled country. Just last week on the 60 year anniversary of the holocaust end german politicians go over to israel and to the concentration camps all crying and kissing ass. This is gonig on for 60 years. why the importance? there have been plenty much slaughter from the allied side on germans...military and cilivians...there has been the german holocaust. russian soldiers putting germans in the camps. there has been the russian holocaust where stalin killed over 12 million people. and there is this whole show going on over 4 million jews that died. if it was 4 million. to me it is worse what stalin did or even what the americans did in hiroshima. this whole thing is a show just because of the fact that there is alot of money to get from the germans. not russians or other countries. its like a little payback if you know what i mean. false media and lies are manipulating the people. best example schinlers list...so old who wants to see that crap again...Anne franks diary is a fake. Pictures of the holocaust or of german soldiers tortuing cilivians on the street were profen faked by american soldiers. It is sad that things like that are being taken advantage for power. you might fool some people somtimes but you cant fool all the people all the time. i mean its rgetting crazy over there. the police tapping house phones, checking computers and brainwash people. this whole hip hop and pro gay movements that are going on...thats caca lol.There is this whole "I wanna be an american idiot" movement going on over there.

Back to the topic. There is a very big connection with the holocaust, todays politics and the american-israeli alliance as both profit from european countries paying still today yearly holocaust $$$ to those so called survivors. Without the holocaust israel woudlt be what it is today. come on those ppl are even a nuclear power.
it is nothing new that government, media and economy are worked by the government but indirectly worked by the zionists. the groupings of west-european wealthy orthodox jews.
the holocaust is used to put themselves as a victim and forever blame the german idiot.
After WW2 there was this jewish general that had the Morgenthau - Plan. A plan how to turn germany into agricultural country. The zionist scrolls of the elders which refer to this have a well through thought by accomplish this.
- Invading european countries with immigrants to mix their races.
60 years ago jewish people complained that hitler are not letting marry with germans
today religious jews do not want to marry outside their religion because they think and act as if they are better than others. To keep their race clean i guess.
Also a big fact is that by 2010 turkia might enter the european union. as an average every turk in turkia is in debt over 1250 dollars. the inflation rate is on 52%. if that happens and the EU balances out their economy it will not longer be a concurrent for the US. as the united states is israels big brother and hey thats profitable for the jews in power. well first of all turkia is 97 percent an asian country. the ones that move to germany or other parts of europe are a pain in the butt. not civilised but the poor farmer turks. well you cant really put them all in one bag but ou can say 9 out of 10 turks living in germany are on welfare, criminals or in jail. By having a multicultural country like the US...own folk traditions are being wiped out over the years.
Same as the war in iraq...it ha never been about saddam or bin laden. same as 911 was initiated. this whole war is for a position in power in the middle east.

this is only a scratch on the surface of whats really going on... for more informaition read books on it or research online there is plenty of stuff. im just making a point how the real politics as of today are controlled in a plan benefitting on the holocaust. i might have left out alot of stuff which i might add later...just dont got much time to chat here lol wasted

well hope theres gonna be a nice debate over this

yea im actually not posting here...a friend of mine just urged me to post here FLIP lol i usually dont waste my time in chats or forums but i guess this will be interesting to see what others say.

lol and stop blaiming communists and the cold war for todays topic. its probably a tiny scratch and a reason to blame on the underground politics that are going on

by the way where is everyone from here

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Originally posted by Prestige_Beatz well hope theres gonna be a nice debate over this

If you had made key points rather than rambling alot of opinions rather facts then I would.

Basicly I think your main point is that WW2 has a large effect upon politics today.

I disagree, public opinion, mass media and most importantly money are the biggest pressures in current politics. The only effect WW2 has is the effects it has upon these things. That is perhaps a little on public opinion, but this woudn't effect policy.

People are selfish, so poltics is selfish. That means things are done for money not because of a war 60 years ago.

One point I do think is valid though is that wide public perception in most countries about WW2 is hugely affected by the fact that "we" won. But the reason nobody cared about what went on in Russia is because they were scared I'd think. I mean would you after narrowly defeating the Germans start on Russia, think about the size and scale of Russia (also it's eqipment at this point was advanced, unlike at the start of the war, and it had the organisation it lacked at the start of the war). Russia is something we couldn't do anything about. The Jewish holocaust is something we stoped so of cource we are going to pleat on about it for the glory (selfish us).

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