water isnt advertised because it is ESSENTIAL for life, not because pepsi has too much money or something...i dont really know how this went from changing the world to challenging pepsi. how has pepsi brainwashed anyone? capitalism is built on supply and demand, pepsi is popular because people buy it. the cans are red white and blue, its just like coke, it has caffeine in it...what bearing does this have on anything?
you speak of people being left behind, regretting they didnt follow their beliefs, but really this would just be those who didnt follow, YOUR beliefs. and even assuming your voice was heard outside of this forum, and you gained power or momentum, then almost immediately there would be those that oppose your view point - or at least your means of obtaining utopia.
and remember:
'captialism is the worst form of government - besides all the other ones...' - winston churchill
late/

it isn't those who don't follow my beliefs. I am not by any means a perfect person, I have my shortcomings. my beliefs are not what is to be followed, but rather EVERYONES.

I want a way for the people to tell the governments that this is no longer acceptable.

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I'm interested in why you believe the Beginning of the End (or Beginning of the New Beginning?..) will start in 2012.. what is the significance of this date?.. you may have mentioned it in one of your prior posts, but I'd rather not read them all again!

january 1st 2012 is when the gregorian calendar and the mayan calendar intersect. it is only a day true, but there are already mass plans for this day.

I bought a calendar from a friend about this stuff.. very informative, it has some websites on it as well, but I don't have the calendar here right now. I'll post them some other time.

Renegade said:

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now. All these anti-capitalism riots going on across the world are only going to intensify as long as the inhuman coporate mentality is welcomed by the western world, and allowed to exist above reproach.

I hear ya.. Corporate capitalism has become a monty haul for the upper echelon of management. You are right about corporations' elite management's irresponsibilities. They do not give much a rat's ass for accountability and ethics if they can get away with it.

Your comment about CEOs reminds me this article I read about Nortel Networks (giant telecom co). There's an organization was formed to voice the concerns of shareholders of the company. These shareholders (as the organization) are the school teachers using their pensions, reinvested into Nortel, in approx. amount of 800 million. The disturbing point of the article was the CEO had a bonus clause. Last year, he took home 135 million beans!! To me, this is beyond absurd, it's outright robbery. Nor does this capricious amount has to do with the CEO's performance and ability to run the company.

The shareholders even took this to court and lost!

Corruption happens at every level of society. Corporate hegemony is the inequality of power and wealth distribution, faciliated by its dirtiest tricks and ruthless mentality.

It's sick..



KtP

Well, it seems there's some shitty places to work out there, and - believe me - I've been at the bottom of the ladder in the jobs I had before I started studying as well.

But, nobody is forcing you to work there!

You'd might say that you need the money for your rent, food, clothes etc. but if you really wanted you could probably get by with a lot less. Example: You all have computers and internet connections, probably TVs, stereos (for listening to trance) and surely wears some kind of fashion clothes - all things that aren't essential to survival. So basically you work at that damn place because you have *chosen* to endure the jerks above you in exchange for a materialy enriched life.

Likewise the people you work for most likely hasn't been handed their priviledges on a silver plate: They have *chosen* to lower their self esteem in order to kiss so much ass that they got promoted, sacrificed spare time in favour of working late in order to stand out so they could get up the ladder, or they might have had the balls to start a company by themselves. Equaly, their life is riddled with extra responsibilities and probably a longer work day.

I don't think that blaming corporatism gets you anywhere. Only an reassesment of your goals and life will get you anywhere - just like AnotherWay did it.

In closing I'd recommend the Godfather saga that - to me - illustrates the problem nicely.

btw. I like Pepsi.

this is a quote I got from another forum

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apparently sometime in december? i think it's december 2012 a series of sunspots are going to send of some dangerous magnetic fields towards earth caausing continents to shifts, volcanoes to erupt, tornadoes to suck up cows, giraffes to end up in poland and ther'll be lots of missing car keys all over the world. this is supposed to be the end of the fourth age as the Mayans would have it.

apparently there are all sorts of weird things going to happen in 2012.

be ready kids.

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic this is a quote I got from another forum apparently there are all sorts of weird things going to happen in 2012. be ready kids.

Yeah, I heard it before (1996, 2003, 2012). I have yet to see any credible shift of vibration.

You sound like you appreciate the ideas and philosophy of Shroomery.com. There's a member, Shroomism, who purports to have contact with entities (plaedian, sirians). If you're interested, you can check the board under "Spiritualily and Philosophy", in "Aliens/Human Relations".

I am also involved in the discussion on a different tangent there.

Enjoy..


KtP

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Originally posted by RavingLunatic this is a quote I got from another forum apparently there are all sorts of weird things going to happen in 2012. be ready kids.

just like the world catastrophe we all endured on NYE 1999? that shift has everything to do with capitalism and the way we have structured our country and world (pre-industriallism, the idustrial movement, post-industrialism, to our tech focused community). as u4ea mentioned, there were other dates as well, with no noticable shifts. ill be ready for 2012, but i can wait for it to get here...late/

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Originally posted by trancaholic Well, it seems there's some shitty places to work out there, and - believe me - I've been at the bottom of the ladder in the jobs I had before I started studying as well. But, nobody is forcing you to work there! You'd might say that you need the money for your rent, food, clothes etc. but if you really wanted you could probably get by with a lot less. Example: You all have computers and internet connections, probably TVs, stereos (for listening to trance) and surely wears some kind of fashion clothes - all things that aren't essential to survival. So basically you work at that damn place because you have *chosen* to endure the jerks above you in exchange for a materialy enriched life. Likewise the people you work for most likely hasn't been handed their priviledges on a silver plate: They have *chosen* to lower their self esteem in order to kiss so much ass that they got promoted, sacrificed spare time in favour of working late in order to stand out so they could get up the ladder, or they might have had the balls to start a company by themselves. Equaly, their life is riddled with extra responsibilities and probably a longer work day. I don't think that blaming corporatism gets you anywhere. Only an reassesment of your goals and life will get you anywhere - just like AnotherWay did it. In closing I'd recommend the Godfather saga that - to me - illustrates the problem nicely. btw. I like Pepsi.

^^^Most intelligent post of entire thread!

As much as the "rebel cause" makes me laugh, i'm going to have to side with trancaholic and the biz (werd up!) on this one....

I think those who complain about capitalism are unhappy with their current position in society right now and need an outlet. Fortunatley for RavingLunatic, he found this "shroomism" or whatever... I have worked in a position that Renegade spoke of... and you know what? It's not THAT bad... just look at it this way: It may be unfair that the bosses have it easy, and you bust your ass... but don't forget, (like trancaholic said), your bosses started out JUST as you did....

In other words, if you bust your ass, and continue to work hard, you can be where they are one day. THEN you can relax and make the big bucks. Anybody can be successful. With the right amount of education, hard work, and determination, ANYONE can become a "CEO". To those who say life isn't fair: I say BULLSHIT! Some may get dealt better things in life by birth, but anyone can be whoever they want to be in this society: Every person has access to all necesities, and everyone has the ability/option to do whatever they want with their lives.

You may be unhappy with Capitalism, but i think you are unhappy with yourselves.

And to agree with TranceGiant, we are all but bricks in a huge wall. One brick is not going to change everything. And did it not occur to you that the reason we have this wall in the first place is because of how good of a system it is? Why do you think the strongest countries in the world are capitalist? As much as you may not like it, its the best system out there.

I like your dreams though, although they may be of grandeur. You cannot be blamed, RavingLunatic, for wanting that. I just blame you for blaming Capitalism. I am experiencing right now what you are dreaming for.... and i am experiencing it in a Capitalist economy! I work, yet am not bored. I buy things i want, yet am not broke. And i do what i want! 100% happy in life i am.

You will find that on your quest to "right" the world, your biggest opponents will be those who are already happy in life!

And as far as the "world-ending" stuff, i just think people need an excuse, something to take their mind off things.... These people were so fucking vocal about everything come the end of 1999..... but you don't hear shit out of them now, do you? But as soon as something else "comes up", you're going to hear these people again..... Well, the world's been around for billions of years, and its not going anywhere for another "billions of years".... lol.

Cheers for now.
-ABT-

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Peace.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline Every person has access to all necesities, and everyone has the ability/option to do whatever they want with their lives.

In our Western societies yes, this is true to an extent. But there are many places in this world in which it is impossible for people to become anything and earn a decent wage. Thousands of people spend their entire lives just earning enough money to live.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline ^^^Most intelligent post of entire thread!

Yes, overall it makes sense out of sensibility from a person's frame of reference. Be here in the now rather then in the past or some cryptic-prescribed doomsday for a future! :P

I've had my share of meeting people with very unorthodox thinking so I have a good grasp of where people like RavingLunatic are come from.

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As much as the "rebel cause" makes me laugh, i'm going to have to side with trancaholic and the biz (werd up!) on this one.... I think those who complain about capitalism are unhappy with their current position in society right now and need an outlet. Fortunatley for RavingLunatic, he found this "shroomism" or whatever... I have worked in a position that Renegade spoke of... and you know what? It's not THAT bad... just look at it this way: It may be unfair that the bosses have it easy, and you bust your ass... but don't forget, (like trancaholic said), your bosses started out JUST as you did....

I believe his (Renegade's) complaint was the general treatment of the lower level food chain people in the company. It is quite relevant to any capitalistic socio-economic society. It has to do more with just the bosses, it's the company's policies.

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In other words, if you bust your ass, and continue to work hard, you can be where they are one day. THEN you can relax and make the big bucks. Anybody can be successful. With the right amount of education, hard work, and determination, ANYONE can become a "CEO". To those who say life isn't fair: I say BULLSHIT! Some may get dealt better things in life by birth, but anyone can be whoever they want to be in this society: Every person has access to all necesities, and everyone has the ability/option to do whatever they want with their lives. You may be unhappy with Capitalism, but i think you are unhappy with yourselves. [/quote Quite so. It makes pragmatic sense.. IF a company is not aligned ethically and morally with me, goodbye. [quote]And to agree with TranceGiant, we are all but bricks in a huge wall. One brick is not going to change everything. And did it not occur to you that the reason we have this wall in the first place is because of how good of a system it is? Why do you think the strongest countries in the world are capitalist? As much as you may not like it, its the best system out there.

Every good system has a price. That price is human failing for avarice and power: survival of the fittest at any costs. On one hand, such systems promote opportunities, success, and wealth. On the other hand, it promotes environmental negligence, corruption, deception, and even costing human lives.

...Time to make a new wall.. All it takes is one brick to fall out.. Brick by brick. Certainly, it may not create any substantial new system out of (doesn't have to be) capitalism - but more for causing some havoc -- to change the way it thinks and behaves.

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I like your dreams though, although they may be of grandeur. You cannot be blamed, RavingLunatic, for wanting that. I just blame you for blaming Capitalism. I am experiencing right now what you are dreaming for.... and i am experiencing it in a Capitalist economy! I work, yet am not bored. I buy things i want, yet am not broke. And i do what i want! 100% happy in life i am.

True, it's what you do about it instead of just pointing fingers. I agree with you that effort is needed to 'coexist'.

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You will find that on your quest to "right" the world, your biggest opponents will be those who are already happy in life! And as far as the "world-ending" stuff, i just think people need an excuse, something to take their mind off things.... These people were so fucking vocal about everything come the end of 1999..... but you don't hear shit out of them now, do you? But as soon as something else "comes up", you're going to hear these people again..... Well, the world's been around for billions of years, and its not going anywhere for another "billions of years".... lol. Cheers for now. -ABT-

The biggest opponents are your most loyal converted fans, followers, and practitioners.

As for the doomsday, I highly doubt that too. Humanity has some growing up to do and unfinished businesses to tend to. It would bite the big one if I didn't get a chance to fulfill my purpose if earth, all of a sudden, drops out of the solar system!

I could only hope for positive change, transpersonally, spiritually, and metaphysically..

...I await for Nibiru to come.


KtP

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Originally posted by mr_stamper In our Western societies yes, this is true to an extent. But there are many places in this world in which it is impossible for people to become anything and earn a decent wage. Thousands of people spend their entire lives just earning enough money to live.

this is true, but this is also not what we're talking about. The discussion WAS on western capitalist societies... and my point about having access to all necessities was directed towards this.

good observation though.
-ABT-

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Peace.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline this is true, but this is also not what we're talking about. The discussion WAS on western capitalist societies... and my point about having access to all necessities was directed towards this. good observation though. -ABT-

actually, his original post was mostly about the current GLOBAL situation, and keeping that in mind, most of his points are valid

it is true that here in the US, and prolly in most western countries, u can work hard and sumday achieve all ur goals and realize ur dreams...but unfortunately this is simply not true for a MAJORITY of the human population today....i'm from india, i came here when i was 14, so by then i knew enuff to know that it's fuckin hard, damn near impossible, for sum1 at the low end of the ladder to become a friggin CEO without resorting to illegal means, and im sure any1 from any other third world country would agree.

its all about perspective, u see. for those who've lived here all their lives, this is the way they see it, and rightly so, because thats the way it SHOULD be, but whats real for u may be just a dream for many others

peace