The best music is classical music IMO, I like my Film scores, especially the Lord of The Rings soundtrack. Beats any EDM any time, any where.

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Originally posted by RickyM The best music is classical music IMO, I like my Film scores, especially the Lord of The Rings soundtrack. Beats any EDM any time, any where.

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I assume you love the bladerunner soundtrack, as do I?

Haven't heard that

Ill get on it soon

Some of my favourites:

Shawshank Redemption THeme
Schindler's List
Gladiator Theme (FUCK OFF IZZY)
Last of The Mohicans >>awesome
Braveheart
Saving Private Ryan

All quality

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Originally posted by Kev K I never said un-established, but you could do me a favour and come talk to the people who i've been arguing with. I only want EDM, especially trance and techno to be recognised and to hear other peoples experiences with narrow minded people, nothing more.

i dont want thoes people to listen to edm

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Originally posted by RickyM Haven't heard that Ill get on it soon Some of my favourites: Shawshank Redemption THeme Schindler's List Gladiator Theme (FUCK OFF IZZY) Last of The Mohicans >>awesome Braveheart Saving Private Ryan All quality

This is kinda related to my main point.

Vangelis, the writer of the bladerunner soundtrack used synths to create his sounds. The fact that he used synths does not detract from the beauty and skill of the music. Jean Michel Jarre is another example.

The people I have argued with have told me that synthesis is only a recorded sound made to sound different and I have tried to explain otherwise to my dismay (I know how an oscillator works and how it can produce many tones and timbres). I know that Vangelis and Jean Michel can't be described as "Dance Music", but IMO they were pioneers to a new sound (SYNTHESIS). That sound has been manipulated beyond expectation but it has opened a gateway to possibilities.

Usage of this includes Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Pink Floyd but the technology they had thirth years ago has now been harnessed and incorporated into most forms of popular music not to mention rock.

EDM was born of synthesis and computer usage yes, but does anyone think that some music should be disregarded because of its usage of synthesis as opposed to acoustic means. I dont think Vangelis or Jean Michel did. Neither do I for that matter and furthermore what I choose to do with my oscillators and effects should not make me any different from a guy plucking a guitar as I am creating an original sound and manipulating it as I see fit, i'm not limited to one sound, I have many sounds at my disposal.

Should the use of such instruments and sounds in the way they are used to make trance, techno or any other form of EDM be forever condemned to a life underground because we are a minority in both music and culture. See my point, we are better than they think we are in both respects. It's not about who is better, only that we are equal.

P.S, apologies once again but I know i'm not alone here. This is an expansion on my original point and I want to hear similair experience of narrow mindedness even if it is me, blow away folks.



Thank you

Last edited by Kev K on Feb-11-2005 at 01:18

Sorry folks, but i'm determined to keep this thread alive even if it means my destruction.

If my destruction means preaching my beliefs all the better, but you gotta back me up here.

Who on this forum agrees with me?

You must agree with my original post or your opinion is that Trance, Techno and EDM in general whatever your preferred genre outside of EDM is, dosen't deserve the respect that rock and other forms of popular music has been given. I only want to show some people I know, that other people besides me see that music goes beyond acoustic because apparently that's all they know. I know i'm not alone, so prove me right. I know my love of music is not transparent and i'm not going to wave this webpage in my mates face's and say their beliefs are bad mmmmkay. I only want equality. Don't you?

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there is quite a lot of acoustic edm... a lot of rock is semi electric

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 there is quite a lot of acoustic edm... a lot of rock is semi electric

your point caller?

I have argued this point with some people, where I have called into question the use of electric guitar.

This does not dissuade the argument I am calling into question as an electric guitar is merely an expansion of an acoustic guitar and uses electricity to acheieve a different sound where elctricity is used to enhance and manipulate the sound of the string. This is accepted in popular music culture. The electric guitar is used everday along with the acoustic guitar. Nothing wrong with that.

So I still argue that a synthesizer is an instrument in its own right that can be used to create acoustic sounds BUT, HUGE BUT not only recreates acoustic sounds (and should not be used for creation of acoustic sounds IMO) but produces many more sounds, in fact an INFINITE amount of sounds which cannot be created by acoustic means which in fact only serves to enforce my point that synthesis regardless of genre should be regarded as a completeley new method of sound creation, I repeat SOUND CREATION. Is Sound creation and manipulation now disregarded because there are general rules for crerating music???????????

For me this is unacceptable, this is what I mean, help me out.

If you disagree, I will not diss or flame you in anyway, I only want views. Thank you in advance.

Last edited by Kev K on Feb-11-2005 at 02:53

Been sitting here for almost 5 hours. Nobody seems to agree with me that our music deserves the same respect as other socially or commercially whatever forms of music. Why is that.

I cant wait to wake up and read views on this subject if any, telling me right on bruvva. Although a nice shut up will also be greeted with open arms.

I think all of your points are valid. Over the years I've been having the same arguments about music you have with a lot of my friends. The fact is I've just given up on many of them, because no matter how logical and valid my arguments are, a lot of them just ignore it and go; "no, it's not music". Some of my friends are, as you probably understand, ignorant and narrowminded.

I've tried braking it down to a question of definition; is good music music that takes physical skill to make? If it is I can agree that the software-produced music (like a lot of EDM) don't really shine. Is good or bad music based on wether or not it can be created live? As in playing an instrument and making music "on the go"? Of course, some EDM can be partly created live, with drums, syntheseisers, an fx-box etc. (I don't know the name of the instruments being used), but not to the same extent as a rock band (then again; what about DJ'ing?). If the answer to these questions is yes then there's not much more to argue about. It's their bloody loss they can't appreciate anything but their narrowminded definition of music.

I say fuck it.

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Originally posted by Redd I think all of your points are valid. Over the years I've been having the same arguments about music you have with a lot of my friends. The fact is I've just given up on many of them, because no matter how logical and valid my arguments are, a lot of them just ignore it and go; "no, it's not music". Some of my friends are, as you probably understand, ignorant and narrowminded. I've tried braking it down to a question of definition; is good music music that takes physical skill to make? If it is I can agree that the software-produced music (like a lot of EDM) don't really shine. Is good or bad music based on wether or not it can be created live? As in playing an instrument and making music "on the go"? Of course, some EDM can be partly created live, with drums, syntheseisers, an fx-box etc. (I don't know the name of the instruments being used), but not to the same extent as a rock band (then again; what about DJ'ing?). If the answer to these questions is yes then there's not much more to argue about. It's their bloody loss they can't appreciate anything but their narrowminded definition of music. I say fuck it.

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Thanks Redd, this is exactly the input i'm after.

May I produce your offspring?

In all seriousness, I invite this type of contribution. Maybe it is I who require justification. But I feel justified.

In fact I will name my next track, Redd (Justified remix) in honour of this statement.

Peace out.

What are you making such a big deal out of electronic music for?

It all sounds the same.

Beep boop, tsk tsk tsk, ch, beep boop, tsk tsk tsk, ch.