Trancewave,
I appreciate your taken the time to critique my comments... I understand that you are more "accepting" than i am. Truth be told, those are my views, and as ridiculous or as stupid as you think i am for thinking that way, they are my views and nobody can change them. Just like how a person believes in a certain religion... And sorry to "bring the bible" into this... shit i'm not even christian. I meant to "bring in" mother nature....

Also i dont know why you brought "racism" into this.... Out of all my friends, maybe 3-4 are white/caucasian. I have about a dozen black friends, and the other 75% are hispanic or other. And one of my best friends is Asian. I am by no means racist. Yes, i do not like gays (again, for the millionth time, i don't hate them.... kolkiwolkie!!!)... but, i'm not "set out" to ruin their lives, either... so what does it matter what i think? And FYI, trancewave, i have been hit on a LOT more than 3 times as well... i just listed the 3 extremes. And the fact the same happened to you, only worse, and you still like gays, tells me that you're an admirable person... Only i can't for the life of me figure out why you've chosen to go and fight this crusade on here....

Truth be told i dont know why i did either. I'm not passionate about this subject.. But again, i think that MOST people had my views, and no one has the balls to say it. I'm not going to join the bandwagon and "pretend" that i think its fucked up how gays are treated. And did you notice, i was one of the ONLY people to NOT use the "f" word and "q" word??

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Originally posted by TranceWaveWere you raised by homosexual parents? then how would you know for certain that it would be "very dificult" to grow up to be heterosexual? I'm sorry but as long as I can remember I "knew" for a fact that I liked girls and there would be absolutey nothing that ANYONE can do or say to influence me otherwise even when I was a kid. Even more rubbish here These comments are just so sexist even though for the majority of times these are true. It's just wrong to place stereotypical roles for each gender. A women's place doesn't have to be in the home. If she likes football and wants to teach her son/daughter she doesn't need dumbasses like you calling her a butch.

You say that i posted absolute "rubbish" here..... i think the truth is, that i am correct, and its sad, but true. I don't know what kind of messed up family you grew up in, but in most families i've seen, the parents have a HUGE influence on their children. Ever wanted to be what your dad is when you grow up? ever wanted to throw a pass like your dad does? ever wanted to know as much about cars as your dad? ... as much about a professional sport? And how about a mom teaching you about the birds and the bees? Your mom consoling you after you got beat up at school that day, and you were too embarassed to tell your dad? Open your eyes, man... this isn't about "sexism" , or "a womans' place is in the home"....... its about which parent is more appropriate for what role...... each instance in life, i can GUARANTEE you that ONE parent would be more "cut out" for! This arguement is really down to individual opinion, so you cannot call me a "dumbass" for having them.

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I do believe that nature intended to have men and women together just for the simple fact that this way they can reproduce. Gays and lesbians cannot reproduce together naturally without artificial aid, so what is your point? So therefore it's wrong and therefor they should not be together even if they love one another but they should be in a relationship where there's no love but they can otherwise reproduce. That's brilliant.

Ok genius.... this is the way of mother nature... NOT me. Maybe you want to talk to whoever created mother earth, and created man & woman. That statement is brilliant. Again, don't be so naive man!

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Going back to religion and such. I truly believe that religion is the root to a lot of the evil that is out there today. If you look at history, a lot of the wars and atrocities that happen around the world had a LOT if not everything to do with religion. Church and State should NEVER EVER go together.

If you've ever been "reading" my posts, you will have seen that i was always the FIRST person to state the religion is the cause of more deaths and wars than anything else ever..... AND i got severley flamed for saying that too. I erred by stating "bible" when i meant to mention Mother Nature. AND i'm not religious. so who cares?

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You've shaped your opinions on gays in general through the 3 experiences you have with these individuals. I too have a very "boyish look" and I've been hit on by more guys than I can count. Gays and Lesbians are very open about their sexuality on my university simply because in university the majority of people are very accepting. Because of this they are very aggressive. A lot of it is just for plain fun but some people take it to extremes. I just simply tell them I'm straight and a lot of times they would understand.

Again, more than 3 times... i only listed 3 extreme cases. Also, if you "just tell them you're straight", and they back off, then that's NOT aggressive. That's a walk in the park, my friend. Try coming down here... where they don't get the message until you have to call the police..... they keep saying they think you're playing "hard to get". BS

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The way I see it, nobody is telling you to sleep with them. Nobody lives your life except for you and as long as you are not hurting anyone then who are you to be judging who they want to be with?

Exactly.... so i can have my own views and think for myself, right?

You are sounding to me like one of those pro-life activists.... So feckin concerned about the fetus, don't give a shit about the mother. I believe in pro-choice (pro-woman), not pro-life. I'd like to see one of these oh-so-vocal pro-lifers have one of those black-crack baby fetuses transplanted into their uteruses b/c the original mother has no money and probably would kill the baby, instead of killing doctors. What does this have to do with the topic? Well, i bet you'd be singing a VERY different tune if you had 2 dads.... or 2 moms. It's one thing to fight for equal rights, but its another to go overboard.

Forgive me if i don't buy into all the happy-go-lucky tree-hugger stuff.... i like to have an opinion, my OWN opinion, and i'm not afraid to voice it. I almost wanted to say thanks for your opinion, but since most of it was a flame towards me, i'll result to saying "sawed off!", and i pity you, because you afraid of voicing your opinion b/c you don't want to look bad.

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Bah.......I'm not a pillowbiter but I've got nothing against them.
I do believe it's your choice if you wanna be gay or not,
and it has nothing to do with hormones because you know dykes mess with Dildo's

anyway.......I think it's an insecurity issue on why some guys think that way

I have a friend who I think suffers from Homophobia. I call him an Aggrivated Homosexual cause it gets on his nerves....and I tell him that one day his kids are gonna be gay......and he says " if they're gay , they can get out "......but he has obvious insecurity issues

Bah, what can you do......." if you can't beat you might as well join em " .........fuckin FAGS...........
hahahahah.................just kidding

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline You are sounding to me like one of those pro-life activists.... So feckin concerned about the fetus, don't give a shit about the mother. I believe in pro-choice (pro-woman), not pro-life. I'd like to see one of these oh-so-vocal pro-lifers have one of those black-crack baby fetuses transplanted into their uteruses b/c the original mother has no money and probably would kill the baby, instead of killing doctors. What does this have to do with the topic

Yeah what does that have to do with this topic at all. I'm pro-life...and I have a child...out of wedlock...not with the father anymore...I don't even get child support from him. It could have been very easy for me to abort her in my circumstances. But I didn't bc I believe that she had the right to live. I have not once shoved my views in any persons face. And I'm not sitting on welfare...I have a full time job making good money and I go to school part time to finish my degree! Don't bash pro-lifer's they are just as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours. But please look at the statistics...babys born to mothers who do crak are born bc the mother is so kraked out of her mind that she doesnt even care that she is pregnant...hence the reason why she is doing crak while she is pregnant in the first place. And most of those people do not have the money for a 300 dollar abortion. Truth be told the majority of people who go in for abortions are white middle class women. ABT, you're entitled to have whatever opinion you want. I'm not trying to change you...but don't bash my views just b/c you don't agree with them. And to say that all pro-lifers are more concerned with killing the doctors that perform abortions...99.9% of them feel this is horribly wrong. How can more killing justify anything?! It can't...plain and simple. There are always people on the fringe...that go to extremes in any side of a arguement...they push the envelope...go to far....just don't generalize all pro-life'ers based on the few who have gone too far. Sorry to the rest of you for getting off the topic. I just hate when people generalize all pro-lifers.

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aren't you changing the subject of this thread?...
please stay on topic...

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ABT
I'm going to try to keep all this as short as I possibly can simply because you have already formulated a very strong opinion on your views towards homosexuals as I see this conversation going absolutely nowhere.

Of course you are entitled to your views. I never once implicitly tried to change your mind of how you should feel. I just think a lot of what you said was unfounded and extremely ignorant. Am I not entitled to respond? A lot of what you said was based on the 'attitude' that this is reality and there's more people who feel this way but are afraid to voice it but you have the balls to do so.

Now I appologize for bringing racism into the discussion, but when exactly did I ever point fingers at you for that? So why are you trying to be all defensive? That's great that you have friends from all ethnic backgrounds (that's beautiful man, brings a tear my eye ) . My reply to you was done rather hastedly as we both ran off topic during our rant and rave. Your opinions hit a nerve with me with a lot of the things you said, and I'm letting you know my opinion about it.

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Truth be told i dont know why i did either. I'm not passionate about this subject.. But again, i think that MOST people had my views, and no one has the balls to say it. I'm not going to join the bandwagon and "pretend" that i think its fucked up how gays are treated. And did you notice, i was one of the ONLY people to NOT use the "f" word and "q" word??

To be frank I'm not passionate about this subject either, but what I AM passionate about is the way people formulate a generalized opinion on a certain group of people. I draw a lot of parallels between being homophobic and being a racist (not that I'm implying that you are of course ) You don't "like" gays but you don't "hate" them.

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And the fact the same happened to you, only worse, and you still like gays, tells me that you're an admirable person... Only i can't for the life of me figure out why you've chosen to go and fight this crusade on here....

I never said I like gays, if I saw an openly gay person walking down the street I would see them in the same light as anyone else that I would see walking down the street. They are all people. I won't happen to 'like ' one person moreso than another simply because of which gender they prefer to be with. And that is the whole point of my entire post. I'm not fighting a crusade. Believe me I would be the wrong person to do so. I'm not defending any group or bringing awareness to the table, I just hate to see people have a Cow with others for all the wrong reasons.

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You are sounding to me like one of those pro-life activists.... So feckin concerned about the fetus, don't give a shit about the mother. I believe in pro-choice (pro-woman), not pro-life.

You had a beef with me that I brought racism into this so why are you bring this pro-choic/life debate into this? I sound like a pro-life ativist? For the record, you are absolutely right. I am for the most part pro-life. I feel that no baby deserves to die. But I don't want to get too into this discussion because there's so many issues and sides to this topic that I believe you should be open minded enough to look at both sides of the situation carefully and constructively. So yes, for the most part I am pro-life but I'm not blind to see that this is a very SENSITIVE AND DEEP issue and it's foolish take one side so strongly against another. But it seems to me that you have already made up your mind and entrenched in stone on the side of pro-choice without being sensitive to all sides, which of course is what I whole heartedly would've expected from someone like you of course.

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I'd like to see one of these oh-so-vocal pro-lifers have one of those black-crack baby fetuses transplanted into their uteruses b/c the original mother has no money and probably would kill the baby, instead of killing doctors. What does this have to do with the topic? Well, i bet you'd be singing a VERY different tune if you had 2 dads.... or 2 moms. It's one thing to fight for equal rights, but its another to go overboard.

Black-crack baby fetuses? You sound more beautiful and brilliant as you rant on. So articulate. It is perfectly ok to fight for equal rights but where did you get off thinking that having same sex marriages and having the adoption privileges are going overboard?
And I wouldn't sing a different tune if I had 2 dads or 2 moms, like I said if i'm in a good home with people who love me unconditionally then that is all that matters. The only problems I would have is for ignorant people like you to see a problem with having 2 moms or 2 dads to begin with. What will happen one day if you had a baby and found out he was gay? would you love him any less than your other kids if they were straight. Gimme a break!

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Forgive me if i don't buy into all the happy-go-lucky tree-hugger stuff.... i like to have an opinion, my OWN opinion, and i'm not afraid to voice it. I almost wanted to say thanks for your opinion, but since most of it was a flame towards me, i'll result to saying "sawed off!", and i pity you, because you afraid of voicing your opinion b/c you don't want to look bad.

And I'm expressing my own opinion as well. Thank you for that kind gesture but I won't bother to blab out anything derogative towards you as that would take me to your level. And I'm afraid to voice my opinion b/c I don't want to look bad? What exactly are you trying to imply? that I really feel just like you and most people but I'm afraid to voice my real beliefs because I don't want to look bad in front of others and to TA's? WTF? If you have read my post thoroughly with any ounce of intelligence you will see how I really feel about looking "politically correct" and how others perceive of me. Basically I don't give a rats ass.
Your ignorance has already distorted your mind to a whole new level. As least we can agree with one another that we both pity each other.

I hope that later on in your life you can look back and are more enriched in your life that you don't have to feel hostile and defensive everytime someone disagrees with you. But then again what do I know, I'm just trying to be diplomatic and look good , right?


Take it for what it's worth, I didn't come in here to flame you or anything. I thank you for your honesty which is very respectable. You had your views and I had mine.

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I have to agree with ABT here. He has clearly stated many times that he does not hate homosexuals. So what's the problem? In my opinion, you can't force someone to like something. Is ABT not allowed to be indifferent?

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Originally posted by Trancewave I just think a lot of what you said was unfounded and extremely ignorant. Am I not entitled to respond?

You are entitled to respond. I welcome a good arguement, as long as it doesn't get dirty. You say you were thinking a lot of what i said was unfounded, yet i gave reasons why i believe the way i do. The fact that my reasons do not concur with *your* reasons doesn't mean i'm wrong and you're right. who's to know? We're BOTH basing our arguements on opinions alone. And you wonder why i've gotten rude with you its for comments like this. You claim you've been decent to me, yet you are constantly calling me ignorant and "dumb". I am treating you the same way you are treating me, only i'm not doing it in so many words...

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Now I appologize for bringing racism into the discussion, but when exactly did I ever point fingers at you for that? So why are you trying to be all defensive? That's great that you have friends from all ethnic backgrounds (that's beautiful man, brings a tear my eye ).

Much appreciated is your sarcasm here. You lumped me together with homophobes and earlier in your arguement called homophobe's racist... do the math ABT=racist by law of distribution. My reply wasn't defensive, it was proving a point.

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My reply to you was done rather hastedly as we both ran off topic during our rant and rave. Your opinions hit a nerve with me with a lot of the things you said, and I'm letting you know my opinion about it.

great. I love being provocative, but at the same time expressing my opinions too. I understand what you are doing, but you have to understand i'm doing the same. Just because my views are not parallel with yours, does not mean that i am wrong. And like i said before, i am not an advocate on the topic, i don't try to "convert" people to homophobes, so at this stage i'm regretting voicing my opinion. Once more, voicing ones opinion gets one in trouble on TA...

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To be frank I'm not passionate about this subject either, but what I AM passionate about is the way people formulate a generalized opinion on a certain group of people. You don't "like" gays but you don't "hate" them.

EXACTLY. so what's the problem here? You going to be mad at me because i don't "like" them? Where did i ever formalize a general opinion? Where did i say "ALL GAYS ...blah blah"?????? i didn't. I just expressed my opinion on the discussion at hand, and it didn't agree with you. Again, that's fine, but it didn't require you posting that my views were ignorant, just b/c you don't agree with them. I don't recall saying that you were ignorant...

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I never said I like gays..... And that is the whole point of my entire post. I'm not fighting a crusade. Believe me I would be the wrong person to do so. I'm not defending any group or bringing awareness to the table, I just hate to see people have a Cow with others for all the wrong reasons.

so, if we're on the same team here, whats the problem? Your first sentence here "I never said i like gays". well, i never said that either. I also said i don't hate them. So if we're on the same level, where did the arguement start? Just b/c i don't believe they should be able to adopt? Well, again, to each their own. And i'm sorry that my opinion appeared to be "having a cow" with them, b/c its not. I just like to backup my opinions with WHY i feel a certain way, instead of just sounding like an asshole and blurting something out. Maybe that is why my first post appeared to be very passionate. If so, for that i apologize, wasn't the case!

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You had a beef with me that I brought racism into this so why are you bring this pro-choic/life debate into this?

I didn't have beef with you on this. I was startled, actually, didn't see the relevance....

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I sound like a pro-life ativist? For the record, you are absolutely right. I am for the most part pro-life. I feel that no baby deserves to die. But I don't want to get too into this discussion

I SECOND that! I don't want to get into this debate. This message goes to you AND Twilochik:

I am pro-choice. That is NOT pro-death. It means, i think the WOMAN should have the right to decide. It's none of my business, its NOT my right or business to tell her she HAS to or has NOT to have the baby. And again, i am not passionate on this subject either. Twilochik: I understand what you are saying, and i am sorry to bring this discussion up. In my eyes its very admirable that you went through with the pregnancy. Again i am not pro-death, i am pro-choice, and THAT is what you got - your own choice to decide.... here you decided to complete the pregnancy. That's great. I hope your child is well. I never meant any insult. Sorry. As far as the black-crack baby comment, may have been uncalled for, but that's not my line... i stole that from George Carlin, when he was making a very good point (IMO) on stage about an issue... Again i think this comes down to personal freedom's, and its not the government's decision. But we'll save this arguement for another thread...

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But it seems to me that you have already made up your mind and entrenched in stone on the side of pro-choice without being sensitive to all sides, which of course is what I whole heartedly would've expected from someone like you of course.

AGAIN with the low blows... man, and you were WONDERING why i came back with insults? These subtle comments you make during your posts is what turns a decent debate here into a mud-slinging competition. I'm not going to insult your intelligence in an esoteric way here, because I, unlike you, don't think the opposing side is ignorant here...

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And I wouldn't sing a different tune if I had 2 dads or 2 moms, like I said if i'm in a good home with people who love me unconditionally then that is all that matters.

You say that, but how can you be so sure? HAVE you had 2 dads or 2 moms? I can guarantee you that you're whole life would be different if you had same-sex parents... doesn't necessarily mean your life would be bad or good, but i can guarantee it would be different. Chances are you would have more emotional problems, though. Like you said yourself, kids already have enough problems dealing with in the real world & schoolyard..... why give them ANOTHER?

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The only problems I would have is for ignorant people like you

Again with the belittling of me.....

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What will happen one day if you had a baby and found out he was gay? would you love him any less than your other kids if they were straight. Gimme a break!

NO, i wouldn't love him any less... i would still love him. He'd be my kid.

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Thank you for that kind gesture but I won't bother to blab out anything derogative towards you as that would take me to your level.

This is my favorite line of your post..... after you've blatantly insulted me three times, you say you "don't want to go down to my level.".... hehe, i just told you to "sawed off", and you insult my intelligence 3 times. I'd say an even trade!

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And I'm afraid to voice my opinion b/c I don't want to look bad? What exactly are you trying to imply? that I really feel just like you and most people but I'm afraid to voice my real beliefs because I don't want to look bad in front of others and to TA's? WTF? [

I said this, because if you were not so passionate about this topic, why else would be standing up for it so strongly? You may ask the same of me, but i'm defending my opnion AGAINST you.... remember, you came out and attacked my opinion, i didn't attack yours...

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If you have read my post thoroughly with any ounce of intelligence

Oh, sorry.... I'll try to use "intelligence" next time i read your post, if i can find any..... (b/c i don't think i have any)

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you will see how I really feel about looking "politically correct". Basically I don't give a rats ass.

You could've fooled me. You're arguing for the PC side all the way here.... and note that i do not have these opinions JUST to not be PC....

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Your ignorance has already distorted your mind to a whole new level. As least we can agree with one another that we both pity each other.

Is that insult #5? ok, just checking....

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I hope that later on in your life you can look back and are more enriched in your life that you don't have to feel hostile and defensive everytime someone disagrees with you.

LoL.... hostile and defensive everytime someone disagrees with me???? HAHA, dude, i know people have different opinions, and i respect that... i have no problem with that... its just that when you come BACK at me, saying i'm wrong and stupid, of course i'm going to come back... in your entire arguement, not once have you given a fact or good debate as to why i'm wrong.... you keep saying (in so many words) "its just not right". And in the process you've insulted my intelligence (and myself) countless times. I don't recall insulting Trancewave in my original post, but let me double-check, b/c maybe i did?

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But then again what do I know, I'm just trying to be diplomatic and look good , right?

Again with the sarcasm! Yay!

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Take it for what it's worth, I didn't come in here to flame you or anything. I thank you for your honesty which is very respectable. You had your views and I had mine.

Agreed. I didn't come here to flame anyone, nor did i with my original post. I would like to keep it that way, and if ANYONE disagrees with me, i more than welcome their arguements.... just as long as they can provide a good debate other than just saying "Your ignorant, its not right, its not equal!"....... remember i'm not the one coming in here trying to turn people away or telling them they're wrong... i listed my opinion, then gave reasons to back it up.

But i always welcome a healthy debate.

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Ok,I not one of abts fan, but I have to agree with everything he said.
He never said he doesnt like Fags, some of you ppl need to learn to comprehend.

I HATE FAGS, so what? gotta a problem with that?? there I said it, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? hate me because i believe different than a lot of ppl in here, I just happen to have the guts to come out here and say it, and i dont give a shit about what replies i am going to get, just like i dont give a shit about those fags think of me...Fucking other guys in the ass is just disgusting, GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.
and I also hate them , because everytime you go to Keys, they try to attack you, they have no respect for the straight community, so why would i have respect for them?
also I hate seeing them kissing each other in front of kids, where is all the respect for kids? they sure have no respect at all, I can say it, cause i have a gay cousin, and I tell him all the time ,so i have the right to say it cuase it runs in the family.

AND BSE, you must be a fag or something, if you are so worried about what ppl think.

THERE you got your answer, are you happy now?

Everytime I think I'm out they pull me back in..........


First off, I would like to formally appologize to you if my words sound overly harsh and you were offended by it. I can be sarcastic at times but believe me I never intended to attack you like the way you have percieved it.

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You say you were thinking a lot of what i said was unfounded, yet i gave reasons why i believe the way i do. The fact that my reasons do not concur with *your* reasons doesn't mean i'm wrong and you're right.

I have already stated my reasons why I think some of your statements are unfounded. I never ever attacked you simply because you say you didn't like gays and hate them. In fact I recall I specically said that I believe you when you say that you don't hate gays. Read your comment below:

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The kid will be mentally and physcially tortured for years, and will turn out to be one of those mental cases like Timothy McVeigh or the Unabomber.

You say that you have reasons to back up for the way you feel and that I don't and just call you ignorant? What?? Your above quote is in reference to a kid having same sex parents and that they will be mentally and physically tortured AND WILL turn out to be a mental case like Timothy McVeigh. I don't have as much a problem with you not liking gays as much as comments like these that you make that totally infuriates me. And it is why it has evoked such a strong response from me in the very beginning.
Am I the only one that sees a problem with the above quote? I've already stated why I think that statement is so unfounded. I never said that you were stupid....if you read back a little I said "your Timothy McVeigh comment was incredibly stupid". People can say stupid things.

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its been socially accepted, same-sex marriage has been legalized in some areas, now they want adoption rights.... Sounds like they want to go to heaven, but don't want to die to get there...

Here's another beauty! Your comments and views towards same sex marriages and and your take on adoption kills me as well. You say what is the harm in thinking the way you do, it's only an opinion. Well let me just say that there is a problem here. You stated clearly why you think it's wrong for kids to have same sex parents. A lot of your argument is based on the fact that there will be too many problems for the kid growing up and therefore gay couples should never have the right to adoption.
I have clearly stated my views and don't want to reiterate too much of what I have said earlier. If the child is in a loving home with loving parents isn't that the most important thing regardless of the a parents sexual preference? How many heterosexual couples are totally unfit parents? We as a society is losing focus on what is really important and try so hard to 'conform' to normalcy...which to me is a lot of crock.

Of course you are free to your opinions and so am I but my problem is that who are you to decide someone else's happiness here? If a gay couple wants to have a baby to be truly happy then what is the problem here? Obviously the way I feel is in the minority, there's a big reason why we are in the year 2001 and approaching 2002 and that it's only been recently that gay couples are allowed to legally wed. I'm glad that governments are now realizing the err of their ways and finally allowing gay couples to have the same rights to marriage as everyone else.
Now, I'm choosing my words really carefully here simply because I don't want to offend you here again but I'm glad our government don't have the same views as you do or else gay couples would not be allowed to adopt.

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I understand what you are doing, but you have to understand i'm doing the same. Just because my views are not parallel with yours, does not mean that i am wrong. And like i said before, i am not an advocate on the topic, i don't try to "convert" people to homophobes, so at this stage i'm regretting voicing my opinion. Once more, voicing ones opinion gets one in trouble on TA...

I never ever said or remotely implied that you were trying to convert people to homophobes (where did you get that from??). Also I never ever wanted you to feel the same way that I do as well. We are all individuals and we all have opinions. I don't have a problem with you feeling the way you do, you've never really hurt anyone. I just wanted to refute your comments on gay adoptions and generalize comments like McVeigh. Please do not feel regretful that you have voiced your opinion. To me, it's a good thing. Opinions are always subject to debate. Also again, I NEVER EVER said that I was right and you were wrong. I'm expressing my views like the way you are.

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You could've fooled me. You're arguing for the PC side all the way here.... and note that i do not have these opinions JUST to not be PC....

This I find really funny. Everyone who knows me in person think that I'm very vocal and so against so many aspects of the PC movement. A lot of times I think they take many issues way too far. LOL, but you don't have to believe me here, think what you will.

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Much appreciated is your sarcasm here. You lumped me together with homophobes and earlier in your arguement called homophobe's racist... do the math ABT=racist by law of distribution. My reply wasn't defensive, it was proving a point.

I find that comment there very offensive. I nevered implied you were a racist or intended to lead toward that route.


I responded to your original post because I believe you were truthful with what you said, and I do hold you in high regard as I felt a need to respond to your comments and not to someone like TyBy7996 who just made his opinions just now.

Maybe in the heat of the moment things may have been said that shouldn't have and are taken the wrong way again I'm sorry if you feel that I have insulted you.

Peace.

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Originally posted by TyBy7996 Ok,I not one of abts fan, but I have to agree with everything he said. He never said he doesnt like Fags, some of you ppl need to learn to comprehend. I HATE FAGS, so what? gotta a problem with that?? there I said it, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?? hate me because i believe different than a lot of ppl in here, I just happen to have the guts to come out here and say it, and i dont give a shit about what replies i am going to get, just like i dont give a shit about those fags think of me...Fucking other guys in the ass is just disgusting, GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. and I also hate them , because everytime you go to Keys, they try to attack you, they have no respect for the straight community, so why would i have respect for them? also I hate seeing them kissing each other in front of kids, where is all the respect for kids? they sure have no respect at all, I can say it, cause i have a gay cousin, and I tell him all the time ,so i have the right to say it cuase it runs in the family. AND BSE, you must be a fag or something, if you are so worried about what ppl think. THERE you got your answer, are you happy now?

hahaha thats gotta be the most pathetically funniest thing ive read all day

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