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If you'd bothered to read the thread you'd know that we're 4th right now, up from 8th in 2003.

Old Post Mar-04-2005 04:38  Canada
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DigiNut
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Originally posted by swilly
Just because an organization is not affliated with the national endowment fund for democracy or the new american century project or the republican party does not make them all communists!

First off, socialism isn't communism, and if you don't know the difference then you ought to keep your mouth shut on the subject of politics until you've got a grade 10 education on the subject.

Secondly, yes, you're right, not being affiliated with those entities certainly does not make them socialists/communists/fascists/whatever. Why on Earth you'd assume that to be my logic, however, is beyond me, and the fact that you'd even come up with something so incoherent clearly marks your inability to listen to others or evaluate their statements objectively. My inferrances are drawn more from rags like the Kyoto Accord and their non-stop sympathy and support for every terrorist ring and two-bit dictator on the face of the planet.

Don't even get me started on the UN. The UN is exactly what you'd expect to get by scooping up hundreds of "diplomats" from countries with names like Kzagblech that no one could locate on a map in 10 million years and probably haven't even evolved to the point of indoor plumbing, and putting them all under one roof. Sorry, but not all of us want worthless fat cat bureaucrats making important global decisions for us.

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I honestly think you guyz should all move to the US
you all seem to love them and thier policies so much

And maybe you and your kind should move to North Korea if you're so in love with equality and social planning. It's not our fault that the LPC has let in millions of immigrants in exchange for votes, who have no understanding of the values that actually brought Canada to the top of those "rankings". And it's not our fault that so many of you fail to recognize that the LPC falls somewhere between a gaggle of idiots and a full-fledged racketeering operation.

And most important of all, whether you like it or not, this country is our HOME, and when idiots like Paul Martin start messing things up our HOME just to spite our NEIGHBOUR, the thought that comes to mind is not to just pack up and leave, but to want them OUT.

We live here too. Telling us to leave is only making you look like an asshole. What happened to "tolerance", eh? I guess that word doesn't apply when it refers to people who disagree with you.


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Old Post Mar-04-2005 05:13  Canada
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yes, all we need to do to make our country better is to turn it into a mini-US...fuck the social programs, why not just load all extra cash into giving corporations tax cuts on top of all the benefits the biggest ones already get.

maybe if our govt tries hard enough, they can also make our versions of medicare and social security go bankrupt in the next 20 yrs...

not to mention maybe bringing personal saving down to the US level of 1%, so that we also can be completely screwed when the remnants of a social net get wiped out from under our feet.

guess some of you at least will be getting your wishes when tuition gets deregulated again...

Old Post Mar-05-2005 00:59  Canada
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DigiNut
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yes, all we need to do to make our country better is to turn it into a mini-US...fuck the social programs, why not just load all extra cash into giving corporations tax cuts on top of all the benefits the biggest ones already get.

Actually, most conservatives want tax cuts for small business, not big business. It's the small business that gets killed, and the small business is what's really important in a free market because it helps to avoid monopolies (i.e. Rogers, Bell, CanWest...). Corporations in Canada have it easy - in case you hadn't realized from the last election's list of donations, the LPC is very corporate-friendly.

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maybe if our govt tries hard enough, they can also make our versions of medicare and social security go bankrupt in the next 20 yrs...

Social security programs are going bankrupt everywhere. The USA is one of the only places where it's not (mainly because there's not much there in the first place). Canada is the only country in the world that has socialized healthcare but refuses to allow a two-tiered system, and it is also the only country in the world where you'll spend 2 years on a waiting list for an MRI or 6 months for major surgery. The American system is expensive, but it's open to everybody and it's one of the best in the world - that's why people joke about the USA *being* the second "tier" in Canada.

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not to mention maybe bringing personal saving down to the US level of 1%, so that we also can be completely screwed when the remnants of a social net get wiped out from under our feet.

On the last official fiscal report, Canada's personal savings rate was exactly 0%, and AFAIK has dipped below 0 since then, which means the average Canadian is in debt. In fact, I think I posted a thread here about it.

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guess some of you at least will be getting your wishes when tuition gets deregulated again...

Again? It's already deregulated pretty much everywhere. Engineering is deregulated, commerce is deregulated, nursing is (I think) deregulated, colleges are deregulated, law/MBA/medicine and almost every other postgrad program is deregulated... the only university program I can think of offhand that hasn't been deregulated yet is Liberal Arts (or whatever they call it at your local university).


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Old Post Mar-05-2005 01:11  Canada
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Have they rolled out the 5-year plans yet?


OMG You just reminded me about the 5 year plans ..That was a joke.
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Re: Falling even further behind the U.S.

This article is complete BULLSHIT. If you ask any american, they will tell you that it seems our standard of living and quality of life has taken a turn for the worse. We do not have nationalized health care nor realistic retirement programs.


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By SIMON TUCK

Thursday, March 3, 2005 Updated at 6:39 AM EST

From Thursday's Globe and Mail
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Ottawa — Canada's standard of living fell further behind the United States during the past two years and the gap is expected to grow over the next two, partly because Ottawa did not do enough in its recent budget to boost the economy, according to a leading economic forecaster.

In the first comprehensive economic forecast since last week's federal budget, Global Insight (Canada) Ltd. says Canada's standard of living had slipped to 84 per cent of that in the U.S. by the end of 2004 from 87 per cent two years earlier. That three-percentage-point increase in the gap reversed a 1999-2002 trend, when it narrowed to 13 percentage points from 17.

Dale Orr, chief economist with Global Insight (Canada), said he largely attributes the recent widening of the gap to the appreciation of the Canadian dollar, which has made Canadian exports about 30 per cent more expensive in the critical U.S. market.

The first year of the four-year period also saw the Canadian economy battered by one-time events such as the SARS outbreak, the discovery of a case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy in Alberta and the power blackout in Ontario, he added. "We have the potential to do a lot better."

But Mr. Orr and other economists don't expect that to happen, at least in relation to the U.S. standard of living, over the next couple of years. The U.S. economy is expected to outpace its Canadian counterpart this year and next, which Mr. Orr forecasts will expand the standard-of-living gap by another 1.6 percentage points.

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That means the gap will have widened by 4.6 percentage points over the four-year period, or 35.4 per cent of the initial 2002 gap of 13 percentage points.

Economists say Canada can improve its economic growth and standard of living by boosting economic productivity through measures such as corporate and personal income tax cuts, more aggressive writeoff schedules for capital investments and smart investments in such areas as transportation and education.

Critics say last week's federal budget was short on measures to boost Canada's productivity and therefore its standard of living. They cited the document's tepid tax cuts, some of which don't kick in for three years, and big increases to social spending.

"We should be paying much more attention to economic growth," Mr. Orr said in an interview.

Canada had narrowed the standard-of-living gap, as measured by gross domestic product per capita, with the United States to about 13 percentage points about three years ago, after falling to as much as 18 percentage points in 1993.

An expected slump in Canadian economic growth is expected to raise another hurdle, at least in the short term. Global Insight's update forecasts growth for 2005 of 2.6 per cent, compared with the 2.9 per cent forecast in Finance Minister Ralph Goodale's budget.

Jack Mintz, president of the C.D. Howe Institute, an economic think tank, said the U.S. standard of living has also been improving strongly in recent years because the corporate sector made massive investments in new machinery in the late-1990s

Those investments have since led to improved productivity, and therefore a higher standard of living, Mr. Mintz said.

He said the federal budget, which featured dramatic spending increases and minimal tax cuts, was a step in the wrong direction because there were few measures to boost the economy. "I think our productivity has always been a problem."

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the grass always seems greener on the other side eh .. ?

supposedly it doesn't smoke as well tho


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