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Axolotyl
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: atoms are not things they are possibilities

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Originally posted by sonic_akb


I don't agree with you on this point (but, would it be Yahel a good example for this?)
Euro-trance and psytrance are quite different things, exactly because the sounds have different philosophy behind them (as you said). It's possible to make psytrance more melodic, but not epic/uplifiting... it doesn't makes sense for me, just my opinion. For euro-trance is easier, you can mix with house, chill out etc. Progressive trance is an example.


Yahel did some collaboration with Infected Mushroom a while back although I dont really think the results were that spectacular.

Like you say, Psy could become more melodic which is exactly what I'm talking about. I dont think modern Psy has lost that completely though, infact its roots were in the long complex arpeggiated melodies of goa trance. As for melodic producers that have a slight psy feel to their productions, I think Airbase and Re:Locate's early stuff had a very slight psy edge to it which given some serious hammering could work with psy sounds. Basically I'm imagining a lighter, more euphoric or atleast comical style of psy that draws upon the energy of psy as opposed to the hypnotic elements.

I think also some of the harder epic sounds could fit in well with Psy also. Think along the lines of Signum, Randy Katana, Alex Morph. What would not work obviously though is the more uplifting styles. Anything too drawn out or too reliant on big buildups and breaks for example.

I'm not suggesting that it would work straight off the bat. Far from it, I think that producers are going to have to break a few eggs before the right style and feel is hit upon. I think its heading along those lines already though. The new infected mushroom album (for all its faults) is taking psy in some very interesting directions, as are the likes of X-dream and Black & White. To some extent, its loosing its 'trance' nature and become electro-psy. But to hell with somantics, I've been waiting for this sound to emerge for a looong time.

I've heard a few of you refer to freestyle hardcore. I dont think I've heard this before. Can someone explain to me the finer points of it or perhaps post some samples?


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Derivative
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Dublin

freeform. freeform is basically a type of nu skool hardcore which i think is quite sophisticated and is quite trancy but in a darker, harder more forlorn kind of way. it has similarities to happy hardcore but its deeper and more serious.

freeform is designed so that it can be played at pretty much any turntable speed although it is commonly played at drum and bass type speeds (170 bpm +) hence the name 'freeform'

good examples of freeform?

spinback and storm - your love [underground recordings, 2004]

uplift and stargazer - statik [raw elements uk, 2004]

scott brown - eternal soul [evolution, 2003]

interstate - this is my bass [evolution plus, 2004]

its usually, fast, hard and beautiful. sometimes it gets monstrous, like k complex feat. carol sharland - freedom. sometimes it gets cheesy. but hey, thats hardcore for ya.

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mef
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Location: New Cross, London...

Freeform is awesome


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sonic_akb
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Derivative, thanks for the samples. However, freeform style is very fast for me... I'm 30 y.o.

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Axolotyl
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Originally posted by sonic_akb
Derivative, thanks for the samples. However, freeform style is very fast for me... I'm 30 y.o.


LoL

*hands sonic his cane*



Freeform sounds very much like happy hardcore to me but a bit more evolved in terms of melody. Sounds like it would be fun to mix! Can't believe Scott Brown is still producing! 'Do What ya Like' was one of the first tracks I really got into. Excellent stuff for its time.


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Derivative
Bipolar Bear



Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Dublin

haha yea, ive got an old q-tex record from like 1992 called 'do ya want me?' really good chime sounds. really shit vocals - 'DO YA- DO YA- DO YA WANT MEH? DO YA NEED ME? DO YA THINK OF MEEEEEEE?!' primitive hardcore. scott brown is still producing. hes still releasing a crazy amount of records per month and about 3/4 of all the tunes on evolution records are his. last time i checked thats over 70 releases.

that uplift and stargazer tune though is sick. im glad i own all of them on vinyl cuz you cant get most of these tunes anymore.

mef - feel like collabing on a freeform tune?

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hardikaveri
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Registered: Sep 2004
Location: espoo

quote:
Originally posted by mef
Freeform is awesome


You guys ever listen finnish freeform.. as knowd as finrg in GB.??

artists like pain on creation, carbonbased, nomic or alek schala(was it right)

they usually record on electonic or camel records.. and some like proteus on nuenergy recordings ..witch i love

dok£er, shanty, kevin energy, safe 'n sound, ki-real&ferox..to mention few...the best!!


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hardikaveri
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quote:
Originally posted by cybernetica
You dont post your new invention in an internet forum so that everyone can read it do ya?
Besides, well, Alek Szahala (and the so called Finrg scene) takes a lot of elements from Acid, Trance and Psychedelic and puts them into a hardcore-type sound... its not actually like Psytrance but has a similar "tripping"-factor. His new track "Dryad" plays with Goa-Elements.. you can have a look at his site... http://alek.szahala.com - i like that very much. But let me assure you, your stuff sounds different and unique nevertheless.


ah gotcha!!

relly this guy is living nex to my house.. and he started to make freeform like 3years ago.. and latest releases are 1year old becouse of length of queue...

if you want to sneak prews of finrg goto www.klubitus.org and select forums and then biisit ja remixit section and spot names like poc(pain on creation), carbon based, aleck of course and nomic..

they usually post their lowres prewievs there over 2 years before release so...


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cybernetica
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Registered: Oct 2004
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ah gotcha!!

relly this guy is living nex to my house.. and he started to make freeform like 3years ago.. and latest releases are 1year old becouse of length of queue...

if you want to sneak prews of finrg goto www.klubitus.org and select forums and then biisit ja remixit section and spot names like poc(pain on creation), carbon based, aleck of course and nomic..

they usually post their lowres prewievs there over 2 years before release so...


Great mate, thanks a lot!

I just reactivated my freeform project "Kryogen" and layed down some patterns in a few hours

heres the Link:

http://www.cybernetika.de/kryogen_-_archetype.mp3

Please note this one is without proper mastering so far, arrangement could be changed as well... basses are too heavy, but I need your comments... is there potential? Should I carry on with Freeform or better stick to Goa/Psytrance ?

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Derivative
Bipolar Bear



Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Dublin

fuse the 2 into one gigantic musical bad trip!

bear in mind that psychedellic hardcore is a derivitive industries patent.

hand over the cash. boiiiiiiiiii.

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Bipolar Bear



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out of curiosity - what 303 type sound is that from? doesnt sound like AR bassline.

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cybernetica
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Cologne, Germany

All synthwork here done with ReFX Vanguard

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