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Originally posted by mzvirbulis i thought pvd was a mixing machine (+1) or is carl cox pretty good with the EQ'S?

It doesn't have much to do with the EQs. Cox is just hands down a much better DJ than PVD. I think he gives out a better vibe than the other DJs too. Its common to find him on the dancefloor getting down before he goes on for his set. Then, when he's playing his set he never stops moving and has this huge smile on his face the whole time. If thats now getting into and loving your music I don't know what is.

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Interesting choice of DJs to name.
I also see an interesting thread developing.

I have to say that on the whole I agree with most of the peeps here in the fact Carl Cox is the most advanced and technically gifted of the three. Without doubt a big crowd pleaser and just knows how to make a dancefloor 'go off'.

I don't think you can really knock any of them to be fair. I personally don't rate Oakenfold much but more for the reason that he has lost his interest and mixes like he doesn't give a crap anymore. This is not the Oakie of old and it could be argued if anyone in the world has done more for the dance culture as we know it today than him. He was ahead of his time once, it's just time caught up with him. But you have to respect him as he was doing it while many of you wheren't even thinking about being a DJ.

Tiesto.
I think Tiesto takes a lot of heat on this forum and I have indeed myself dished the doo doo on him a few times.
What you have to remember is that Tiesto has a fecking amazing ear for music and knows how to pick an anthem. Let's face it, look at the Tiesto DVD and tell me if there isn't a whole heap of tracks that don't get played often in clubs even today. The guy just has an ear for amazing tunes and that's a big part of being a DJ. Let's face it, his productions aren't too shabby either and he has done a lot of work that by all accounts can be considered a dance classic.

PVD
This in my opinion is the weakest of the bunch but for some reason he is massively popular. Personally I find him incredibly dull and think that his music is equally dull. This however is purely my own prefference and based on no other science other than my own music choice.
'For an Angel' is probably actually more representative of a time rather than an amazing track in it's own right. The production is actually very basic although sometimes simplicity is the key.
PvD spins very precisely but lacks the emotion that 'I' like to see from a DJ.
My theory is that he actually may have not reached the status he did had he not conquered the US. I get the impression that the US is more into it's prog than actual trance (as a general impression, that's not to say some of the biggest fans in the planet can't be found in the US). PvD is not a big favourite in the UK in the same way that the US guys rave about him.

But to be fare to all of them, when you go and see them you will hear some epic tracks from their respective genres and for the most will not be disapointed.
We all however have bad days and the critics will always be there to shoot them down.

Someone who definately deserves to be ranked higher in the listings is Marco V.
Met him this past weekend in the club and what a top bloke he is. His whole attitude represents how a DJ should be in my opinion. Very nice bloke. He portrays a very positive enjoyable attitude with no arrogance and he just rocks. I actually learnt a thing or two from watching him. Did I mention he's a bloody nice bloke too...?

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Did I mention that Marco V is a bloody nice bloke.

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i'm going to have to agree with pretty much everything nem said once again

the only thing i would like to add to the PvD part is a dj needs to "feed" off the crowd and react to how the crowd is reacting.
i don't know how the man can stand there mixing like a robot when you have literally thousands of people going nuts in front of you.
personally i'd be jumping around with an ear to ear grin on my face if i were him. sure he has said he recieves great pleasure from playing in front of a crowd like that but he's really shy and such so he doesn't go off.
but on that note, i'd say i'm personally one of the shyest people i know but stick me behind the turntables with or without a beer in hand and i become a totally different person.

and yes, i also agree marco v is a very nice guy

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watching someone like carl cox makes u remember why you like dj's so much to begin with, everytime i see him he makes me remember the "ART" of djing.i guess what makes him so special is what makes michael jordan so special-there are not many other people that can do what he does, and do it so well.

Let me add my 2 cents to this debate:

I think a DJ needs to always be pushing forward and chanllengin the listeners.

One can't really understand that concept fully until you dedicate yourself to dance music.

( trust me, I thought I was dedicated to music a year ago; but I was fuckin wrong. its alot of time and effort)

What do I mean ?

You need to approach music like a science. You need to lisen to EVERY fuckin DJ. you need to listen to every fuckin GENRE. You actually need to understand how songs are made ( fuck around producing). UNDERSTAND THE MUSIC. FEEL THE MUSIC. YOU NEED TO BE A MUSIC NERD.

Trust me. If you get serious about the music you begin to hear music differently. You start to hear shit that sounds 'recycled' or you know what it means to 'advance' musically.



I myself realized that I was a shit DJ AFTER I BECAME A STUDENT OF DANCE MUSIC. In my own crituqie of myself I began to hear the 'cheese' and/or the 'recycled' nature of my sound.

I soon began to listen to other DJ's ( PVD, Tiestor, etc) with a different level of perception than.

BEFORE I became a student of music I thought PVD and Tiestor were awesome. I thought trance was uplifting.


AFTER I became a student of music I started to hear how certain trance tracks are 'cheese' ( not just trance but other shit too). Worse. I began to judge my favorite DJ's differently.


In all honesty, PVD and Tiestor BOTH play alot of cheese ball tracks. The only difference is that PVD will play a few really soilid tracks. Tiestor is just more cheesey.


The discussion we DJ's than should have is trying to understand the dynamcis of tracks and thus discriminate what elements making something 'shit'.

Thus discussions should be why a track is good or shit NOT just 'oh its good'

THE REALITY

DJ's , the ones that know there shit, are hesitant to open there mouths and explain to you why something is shit. Why? Because that understanding would than elimante their advantage they have on you when it comes to understanding music.

That's why they ( the ones that understand music) are getting gigs and your ass ( my ass too ) is @ home mixing bullshit tracks



My 2 Cents

I know what some of you are thinking:

' music is all about taste not a science'


Think about it like this:


Say I show you photos of nude girls. ( If you're gay replace the word girl w/ guy....you fuckin homo )

You need to pick the best looking girls.

Obviously you are not going to pick some fat ass or some skanky bitch.

~note~ similar to picking music; judging women when under the influence of drugs can make fat slobs look like super models.


There is a group of criteria we all can agree on; that is attractive on a physical level. Obviously,our personal tastes will pick different women BUT there are common features that prevent us from picking a fat slob.


Problem is that some of you are picking fat ass slobs to be the most beauitful women; and you don't even know it.

Just like telling a women she's fat ugly slob; you need to tell producers you make shit tracks. Tough shit.


< If this doesn't make sense to you fuck you; I'm high >

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Originally posted by Psiweaver Its all about personal preferance.

what is good? what is shit? all about personal opinion!

ooohh and use some common scence too if a track is good or shit.
for example production wise etc.

Tiesto puts together great tracklists. That's def. a plus.

These are great guys specially tiesto.He makes different music from other people.
For me my favourite djs are tiesto,ATB,PVD(not always),blank and jones,push,PPK