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Originally posted by Moral Hazard All water (other then distilled water) contains microbial organizms. These microbs don't harm humans (usually) or most terrestrial creatures, however, that may not be the case for the Aliens. To the Aliens the microbial organizms may be toxic. BTW, contaminated does not mean toxic... If you put a marble in my coffee cup the coffee is contaminated.

Yes I know, my point isn't how water can hurt them, my point is that the suspension of disbelief is astronomical. Don't you think that this would be important information to research before you travel billions of miles for an invasion? If your skin melts everytime it rains, I would hope that you would take proper precautions before you set foot on a new planet.

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Originally posted by occrider Yes I know, my point isn't how water can hurt them, my point is that the suspension of disbelief is astronomical. Don't you think that this would be important information to research before you travel billions of miles for an invasion? If your skin melts everytime it rains, I would hope that you would take proper precautions before you set foot on a new planet.

I would hope so as well but not all invasions are well planned.... I'm sure the German army had hoped that someone would have planned for their tanks freezing during a Russian winter before launching Barbarossa but it didn't quite work out that way. Regarless we're talking about a movie here.... if you cannot suspend your disbelief then fiction is not for you, stick to documentaries.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I would hope so as well but not all invasions are well planned.... I'm sure the German army had hoped that someone would have planned for their tanks freezing during a Russian winter before launching Barbarossa but it didn't quite work out that way.

The Germans didn't invade Russia with the thought of an extended campaign and when winter came along, the German high command issued a collective "oops" because nobody thought of their equipment failing in the cold. The campaign was supposed to be over long before witner set in. What happened in signs is more analagous to the German army invading russia without shoes and they're surprised at how much their feet hurt.

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Regarless we're talking about a movie here.... if you cannot unreasonably suspend your disbelief then bad fiction is not for you, stick to documentaries and good films.

There I fixed it for you .

edit: and fixed it for myself.

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Originally posted by occrider The ending was retarded. Why didn't a village leader simply go to collect the medicine??? No of course not, because it makes perfect sense to send a dumb, stupid blind girl, who thinks it's the 1800s, to interact with park rangers via a letter.

I think the elders discussed going, but none of them were wllling to, fearing that their presence in "the real world" would disrupt the governments desire to continue to allow them to live in what I would call a human wildlife preserve. The decision to send the attractive Bryce Dallas Howard was made by her father only, and only because the man she loved was dying. Was it because no one else in the village would mate with his blind daughter? Perhaps...

Im not trying to dispute the flaws in the movie: There were many. But I still thought the plot was a good idea. They just spent too long building up "the creatures", some spots were very dialogue heavy, and the plot often seemed to spin it's tires in the mud. If you've ever read Mark Twain's criticisms of Fenimore Cooper, you can apply alot of them to this movie, but that doesn't mean it is not entertainging or enjoyable...

cant wait for occ to make me look like a noob with his reply

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Originally posted by tribu I think the elders discussed going, but none of them were wllling to, fearing that their presence in "the real world" would disrupt the governments desire to continue to allow them to live in what I would call a human wildlife preserve. The decision to send the attractive Bryce Dallas Howard was made by her father only, and only because the man she loved was dying. Was it because no one else in the village would mate with his blind daughter? Perhaps...

Allow me to present two scenarios:

Scenario 1 - Village elder who can see decides to go get the medicine. Dresses normally before jumping the wall. Runs to the ranger station, tells the ranger (in normal speak) that his friend got sick and needs antibiotics. Gets the antibiotics, jumps over the wall again, changes, and returns to the village with no one the wiser.

Scenario 2 - Village elder is too lazy to get the medicine. Thinks it's a good idea to send his blind, attractive, daughter instead. Blind, attractive daughter is supposed to somehow make here way to the edge of the wall, climb over the wall, then somehow not get lost outside the park, and just happen to run into a friendly park ranger who doesn't ask questions like, "Why are you talking to me in such a weird fucking dialect?" or "Where are your parents?", or "Why did you come out of that nature wildlife reserve?", or "You're hot you wanna make out?" Meanwhile she's not supposed to ask any questions that would reveal to her that it's the year 2003, that there's advanced technology like the car he's driving, etc. No instead, this nice ranger doesn't ask questions, gives nothing away, gets her the medicine, and gets her back into the park ... of course, because how else could this scenario play out?

Now if you were a betting man, and I gave these two scenarios to you and asked you which one had a greater liklihood of success with the least hassle, and which one would probably result in you losing your daughter which would you pick?

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Originally posted by occrider The Germans didn't invade Russia with the thought of an extended campaign and when winter came along, the German high command issued a collective "oops" because nobody thought of their equipment failing in the cold. The campaign was supposed to be over long before witner set in. What happened in signs is more analagous to the German army invading russia without shoes and they're surprised at how much their feet hurt.

not quite correct. hitler and his generals were well aware of the risks a cold winter would bring. the winter turned out to be VERY cold and hit faster than all the previous years + their invasion took longer than it should have

hm yea and the movie was pretty shitty i felt like leaving the cinema the entire time when i saw it

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Originally posted by blitz~ not quite correct. hitler and his generals were well aware of the risks a cold winter would bring. the winter turned out to be VERY cold and hit faster than all the previous years + their invasion took longer than it should have

I know. That's why I said "the Germans didn't invade Russia ... blah blah blah".

As in they knew about the functional capabilities of their equipment.

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Ok, I stopped reading about halfway through, sorry.

It's a goddamn movie ffs - take it for what it is and realise that stupid, inane decisions happen in the real-world as well, and just because you think you may have an omniscient residence over the film and the character's motives, ulterior or otherwise, since when can one person know everything?

And who says there were any aliens in Signs? o_0?!?

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A handful of questions.

Did they retain their "normal" clothing? And if they did, is what they wore in 1970 or whenever the preserve started going to look odd? I know they kept some keepsakes, but Im not sure about clothing.

Would the retarded boy who acted the part of the creature have attacked any of the elders entering the forest?

How the would rest of the village have reacted to one of their leaders breaking their most central rule?

Does the fact that shes blind and can't see any of this advanced technology mean anything? How about the letter she was given...is that the reason the park ranger is so willing and silent?



Also, given your scenarios, I choose number 2. Why? Because everyone knows that the ranger would be way more interested in helping a young lady than a man. With the man, there may have been any number of questions, and the possiblity that he may not have gotten the antibiotics. Additionally, he couldn't be like, 'oh Im from the vilage inside the nature preserve...give me the shit man' as the young ranger obviously didnt know what was going on. Conversly, all the ranger would have been thinking with the girl would be: "Ill give her what she wants, then maybe Ill get what I want...", if you know what I'm saying.

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Originally posted by tribu A handful of questions. Did they retain their "normal" clothing? And if they did, is what they wore in 1970 or whenever the preserve started going to look odd? I know they kept some keepsakes, but Im not sure about clothing. Would the retarded boy who acted the part of the creature have attacked any of the elders entering the forest? How the would rest of the village have reacted to one of their leaders breaking their most central rule? Does the fact that shes blind and can't see any of this advanced technology mean anything? How about the letter she was given...is that the reason the park ranger is so willing and silent?

At the very least they would have the wherewithall to communicate with the outside world in a better fashion than the girl could. Whatever was on the letter, the elder could have communicated personally to the ranger. As for how the rest of the village would react, they wouldn't have to know much in the same way that they don't know that the whole monster thing is a fake.

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Also, given your scenarios, I choose number 2. Why? Because everyone knows that the ranger would be way more interested in helping a young lady than a man. With the man, there may have been any number of questions, and the possiblity that he may not have gotten the antibiotics. Additionally, he couldn't be like, 'oh Im from the vilage inside the nature preserve...give me the shit man' as the young ranger obviously didnt know what was going on. Conversly, all the ranger would have been thinking with the girl would be: "Ill give her what she wants, then maybe Ill get what I want...", if you know what I'm saying.

What if the ranger is a woman? Why not send a woman elder? Wouldn't a ranger be just as conducive towards helping an old man/woman. What if the ranger just raped her? What if the ranger didn't help out, got her to tell him about the village, and broke the story to the media? What if he took her to an insane asylum? Or what if she simply didn't run into the ranger and wandered aimelessly until she collapsed? It's simply unnecessarily complex to send a blind girl, who knows nothing about the outside world, to the outside world to interact with it. It just seemed like the movie was put together for the ending even if what lead to the ending doesn't make a whole lof of sense.

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Well I liked the fact that there is a surprising twist to it, whats with people who cant seem to appreciate originality anymore? if the movie is not fully predictable and modeled like every other movie in its genre then people whine about it..

that's just like when I read reviews on the web and some dumbass critics trash an action movie cause there's too much.... ACTION.. Daah, wtf did you expect ?? just makes me laught

No its not like any other horror movie out there, and once you see it your like okay that was unexpected and you might not be tempted to buy it on DVD but thats the beauty of it, its DIFFERENT!

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