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Originally posted by Ub3rTrancer heh, I never said that this bus fair increase of $.25 woudlnt hurt anyone, i find it an outrage. Like u said... droppin $100 dollars a month on transportation if u are makin ~2000 a month is brutal takin in concideration ur rent and everything else.

Ok so we agree then.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Youd be surprised how similar life is in both societies when it comes to economics. The difference is that in Canada we have more stability.

Sorry man, but i gotta scream BULLSHIT! on this one

there are no similarities

The truth is that the stinkin poor in Canada is way better off then the stinkin poor in any other 3rd world country. By a HUGE margin

Yes, canada has more stability, but that makes all the difference.

Like ive alreay pointed out... making 500 bucks a month down tehre is not bad at all! U can have a confortable leaving downthere.

Earnin minumwage here in cadanda, cosidering all the help u can get from the Government (ie. Loans, healthcare etc.) doesnt come close to teh misery of the people that earn minimun wage in Argentina, Brazil, India, Africa... or any other 3rdwold developing coutry.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Ok so we agree then.

on that, yes

i was talking about middle class..but yes the bottom rung of society (ie the unemployed) is much better off here than they are down there.

But students are usually middle class.

But remember we did have tent city here for a number of years which looked no better nor worse than the makeshift ghettos in many of these countries. The only difference is that in Canada we made them take it down.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i was talking about middle class..but yes the bottom rung of society (ie the unemployed) is much better off here than they are down there. But students are usually middle class. But remember we did have tent city here for a number of years which looked no better nor worse than the makeshift ghettos in many of these countries. The only difference is that in Canada we made them take it down.

Yes, students are usually middle class. But give the pictures on the original argument i dont think those ppl were middle class.

And for the tent city, i doubt it was anything like the gettohs ive seen. And kickin the residents of such communities just doesnt work... Where would they go? U might say build them a place to live. That doesnt work. Quick history lesson: On the 60's, the government on Brazil built a project for victims of a huge flood that lefts many residents of such gettohs homeless. it had something like 7000 units. Pretty good eh? 40 years later it expanded to ~150000 residents making it one the biggest adn dangerous gettos in the country. U can watch a movie on it if u want, "City of God"... if u havent seen it, you shoud, its excellent.

Gots to run... Got an exam tomorrow that i mos def need to study for.

Hey everyone!
So here we go.
I'm a student in Canada, who takes the bus everywhere I have to go. Ok so let's see. I had to go to a co-op placement, which was located in scarborough. Besides the fact that I had to wake up in the middle of the night and catch the first subway to be there by 7 am, it would also take me about 1 hour and 45 minutes to get there, in the morning, but public transportation. On the way back in the afternoon it took me almost 2.5 hours. But ok, that's not the real point. I waste nearly 5 hours of my life that I could either be working, or whatever on my commute, because of the bus schedule that is never correct, because, well buses don't follow it. They show up when they show up.
So while I stand in blazing heat in the summer, or bloody cold in winter in those bus stops, most of the time having no where to hide from the wind, I also get sick. Which of course makes me miss hours and sometimes days of work, school whatever.
With the fare hike, they should at least be offering us something back. But has anyone seen what we've been offered? Personally I haven't.
The other thing. I do buy a metropass, because frankly, I can't pay 10 bucks a day if I need to use TTC more than once. And yes I'm a student who's being supported by my mother, because unfortunately, I physically can't handle a job, and no one will hire a full time student, who's not driving. Yes I've ran in to this. I didn't get the job because I did not have a car. And I can't afford to buy a car and pay insurance because I DON"T HAVE A DAMN JOB.
You wanna talk fair? where is it? where is the fairness?

Where I grew up, (yes I am Jayx's friend who grew up in Ukraine) our public transportation was 3 cents then it went to 5 cents, that was nothing because after that we didn't have to pay for government transit. However when I moved further into the bubrs I had to pay startin at 4000 coupons (ukrainian money at the time) which is about 3 dollars to take an express bus, the only regular public transit out of where my parents lived. After a while the 4000 turned into 8, 10, 15, and then 30000 for one way trip.
The prices grew, the salaries didn't. Just like everywhere.
And by the way if Ukrainians had to live with this kind of government I'm pretty sure there would be revolution there and the government would be forced to resign or they'd simply be killed. You've seen what's been going on during last year's presidential election.
Communism was a great idea in concept, but when you have a bunch of hicks running the country as great as USSR used to be, you run it down into the ground. The first bright, intelligent person in power, Gorbachev, was forced to resign, after his house in the south of the country was attacked by a bunch of idiots.....
I studied what communism is, was, was supposed to be. Great concept, everyone and everything equal. But think about it how realistic is that?


So anyways, if you still drive to work, or wherever, that means that you can still afford it. I unfortunately cannot afford another fare hike. BUt what am I gonna do? Nothing, just like everyone here, who has no other means of transportation, I suck it up, and take it. But then again, I do a lot of walking these days....

my two cents

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I have a friend who grew up in the Ukraine that would diagree with you. You are right about multinationals though. They should adhere to the same work and safety standards as the country they originate. But pay isnt part of that. When you can live off of 1000 pesos a month why should a company be obligated to pay $3000 dollars a month? Communism (repressing people's freedom) is not the answer to anything and people like you scare the hell out of me. Go live under communism and then report back to me about what a utopian society it is. Socialism breeds laziness and lack of incentive. Humans by nature are greedy. Socialism fails to take this in to account. If you can never get ahead or fall behind no matter what you why should you care about the work you do? The answer is you dont.

Being from the Ukraine doesn't qualify somebody to be a credible source on communism. Said person may have gotten their free education in biochemistry, and found it frustrating that they couldn't earn the big bucks for their hard earned study. That makes it totally different from the people who in the Ukraine now are very poor, and yearn for the days of communism that provided food on their table and clean water into their homes. And believe me, there are many people in these former communist nations that wish communism to return. You can't please everybody.

But my point isn't about limiting freedom but self sufficiency. Creating a socialist environment would boost a country that is lagging behind by a large margin in comparison to the first world.

In the film Corporation, which I am sure you have seen, they show a south american nation (I think it might have been Nicaragua as well) that had a privatized, San Francisco based water company. The government sold the water company to the americans, and the americans increased the cost of water. Once again cost of living went up when wages stayed the same, and the people took to the streets. They rioted, used violence, and eventually took over the water system. The people took back the water and provided it to everybody in the name of helping society and not in the name of profit.

And that is the issue. Profit. These nations cannot afford to have their hard earned money flow out of their hands into american hands. They cannot afford to have people profit off them.

Communism has it's flaws, but at least everybody eats and drinks clean water in a society where the government actually looks out for its poor rather than cashing out by selling vital infastructures to rich american corporations.

My argument states that in their situation, communism (no the best situation) is still a better situation than they have now.


Karim

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Where in Scarborough do you work? Cause I do the long ass commute to Scarborough every morning too *bah*

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Originally posted by Jayx1 And for the record, there are as many middle class people there as there are here.

I'd love to see a source on this, considering it's being put on record.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim Being from the Ukraine doesn't qualify somebody to be a credible source on communism.

Ok so what does then?

What qualifies you?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by karim Being from the Ukraine doesn't qualify somebody to be a credible source on communism. Said person may have gotten their free education in biochemistry, and found it frustrating that they couldn't earn the big bucks for their hard earned study. That makes it totally different from the people who in the Ukraine now are very poor, and yearn for the days of communism that provided food on their table and clean water into their homes. And believe me, there are many people in these former communist nations that wish communism to return. You can't please everybody. But my point isn't about limiting freedom but self sufficiency. Creating a socialist environment would boost a country that is lagging behind by a large margin in comparison to the first world. In the film Corporation, which I am sure you have seen, they show a south american nation (I think it might have been Nicaragua as well) that had a privatized, San Francisco based water company. The government sold the water company to the americans, and the americans increased the cost of water. Once again cost of living went up when wages stayed the same, and the people took to the streets. They rioted, used violence, and eventually took over the water system. The people took back the water and provided it to everybody in the name of helping society and not in the name of profit. And that is the issue. Profit. These nations cannot afford to have their hard earned money flow out of their hands into american hands. They cannot afford to have people profit off them. Communism has it's flaws, but at least everybody eats and drinks clean water in a society where the government actually looks out for its poor rather than cashing out by selling vital infastructures to rich american corporations. My argument states that in their situation, communism (no the best situation) is still a better situation than they have now. Karim

Dude, education? FREE? Do you know that I couldn't even get into University of my choice, because my mom didn't have 10000 dollars US to pay for the bribe to the examination committee? Mind you I graduated Highschool with a perfect diploma. Oh and the other thing, every good or excellent grade, even a C back there would cost you money. So How's that normal? How's that a better solution?
You're mistaking communism with dictatorship that we had while the government attempted to build a utopian society. How can you have Utopia when people live in fear?
During that "better" solution, the crime rates were higher than they are now. So believe you me, they're rebuilding the country from the ground up. Hopefully they'll be successful.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Where in Scarborough do you work? Cause I do the long ass commute to Scarborough every morning too *bah*

I don't anymore, it was a co-op part of school. It was Lawrence and Birchmount.

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