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wolverine16
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Location: Chicago, USA
Re: Re: Re: Re: The stars at night are big and bright

quote:
Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
http://members.aol.com/Patriarchy/d...sm_religion.htm

the supreme court has stated that secular humanism is a religion and many prominant humanists themselves have admitted it to be a religion.


I am Roman Catholic. I am against this because I don't want government involved with my religion and setting any policies relating to it, because then they have say in my religion and those of others. I wanted to study about my religion, so I chose to go to a Catholic University, where the religious agenda is set by the Roman Catholic administration. Public school students should have the right to religious free speech and to individually practice their religion, including praying in school, but the school itself should not be involved in setting religious context. Look at the 10 Commandments issue, for instance, how do you get around the fact that while there are some good moral statements there, you're also having government post to obey the Sabbath & believe in God? Opposition to such efforts doesn't mean I or anyone else against this has to be an atheist.


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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
"I once saw one person that looked like he could be on welfare, and he had a nice car. So therefore everyone on welfare is rich, so we should cut welfare spending."




This might be the most pathetic thing I've seen you do in the 2 years I've been posting in this forum. Seriously.


"I want to suck all poor peoples' dicks because I'm a pathetic loser." Yeah, I remember when you said that. Just search the archives. It's word for word I tell ya.

You are above this.

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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
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Originally posted by Shakka
This might be the most pathetic thing I've seen you do in the 2 years I've been posting in this forum. Seriously.


"I want to suck all poor peoples' dicks because I'm a pathetic loser." Yeah, I remember when you said that. Just search the archives. It's word for word I tell ya.

You are above this.


Sorry if you took offence, not my intention.

However, i still think that you jumped into much bigger conclusions in that thread than what opus did in this thread. so i exagerated the hole thing to make you understand what i meant.

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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
Sorry if you took offence, not my intention.



Nah. I think it was the mere fact that you put it in quotations that rubbed me the wrong way. And that half case of beer made me a bit saucy!

quote:
However, i still think that you jumped into much bigger conclusions in that thread than what opus did in this thread. so i exagerated the hole thing to make you understand what i meant.


I've said it to Opus before, and I can admit that it may be a personal flaw, but I like to argue from opposite ends of the spectrum. Sometimes I just like to play devil's advocate. Swimming around in the grey area isn't as fun.

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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I think a healthy dose of world cultures is a vital necessity to our education, considering we here in the States are about as isolationist as they come nowadays.


Not sure I understand the arguement here...
I know what you're trying to say but I think the context is wrong.
I think you might be saying that you're worried the curriculum might be biased because it'll be through the looking glass of the New World and made more palatable by molding it to fit with our current Christian views.
Juxtapositioning a sterotypical American country bumpkin and the rest of world culture just doesn't wash when one thinks about America's foreign influence on world culture itself...

I'm guessing of course since 'isolationist' wasn't really defined in the arguement, but am I right?


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Not sure I understand the arguement here...
I know what you're trying to say but I think the context is wrong.
I think you might be saying that you're worried the curriculum might be biased because it'll be through the looking glass of the New World and made more palatable by molding it to fit with our current Christian views.
Juxtapositioning a sterotypical American country bumpkin and the rest of world culture just doesn't wash when one thinks about America's foreign influence on world culture itself...

I'm guessing of course since 'isolationist' wasn't really defined in the arguement, but am I right?


Well kind of, but not altogether on the mark. In my preceeding paragraph I stated:

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Now I think there are stipulations that must be involved here. For example, no one religion should receive additional time or preference above any other religion, and this included equal time to those non-religious beliefs of agnosticism and atheism.


I'm referring to a separate religious and world cultures course here, which I think should be fully balanced as much as possible with other world religions. Will there ineviteably be some sort of bias in this kind of course, or as you say:

"through the looking glass of the New World and made more palatable by molding it to fit with our current Christian views"?

I think that's probably a bit undeniable, but I think in this case something is a bit better than nothing. A course like this taught in a small town in Texas will likely have a different approach than a course taught in, say, St. Louis. But a diversity and a beginning to understanding different religions and cultures, in my view, is the beginning to understanding people outside our borders. Right now I believe that is severely lacking here in the states. Hence my feelings on our isolationism.


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