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Originally posted by jupiterone Oh cmon now, lets not say taht just because someone owns a hardware synth itll make them a better producer. Saying that its a plus to say you own real equipment is cool i guess...but then again those nerds that analyze their equipment to your friends and brag to you saying they "Pwn" you because their JP8080 is so shiny are just stupid, then yo whip out your tracks you made with a couple software synths and pwn the living hell out of their hardware made music. It all matters how yo use what you have. How muhc time and effort yo put into making a track. If you cant possibly master the possibilities of software then why bother buying thousand dollar synths and racks? I was gonna buy a nord lead...but decided not to spend 2 grand when i could get 10 times the equipment with that cash plus software and make close to the same sounds that come out of that thing. CLOSE TO THE SAME.

w3rd!

If you need a good sample of that - check out our own TA's, Action Level's track "Topless" - made 100% in soft domain and canned by Menno de Jong in his set.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ss&pagenumber=1

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Originally posted by Signal2005 They dont have a warm sound.They kill cpu (good ones anyway)

not all true.. pro-53 is a really nice synth and it isn't a cpu killer

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Originally posted by alanzo Facts instead of opinions in this matter: Hardware sounds different from software. Which sounds better, I leave up to you to decide.

depends. Have a listen here and tell me your thoughts:Synthology.net demo of patches for V-Station

Synthology.net demo of patches for ES2

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If you can't make good music with only software, getting $100s in hardware isn't going to make your music any better.

true! however, sometimes having "hands-on" could be beneficial for begginer to learn. You don't have as steep of learning curve to overcome. Plug it in and off you go, learning what each thing means. I remember the hard time I had with getting my HD interface to work. With synth - stick in headphones and more buttons you have, the better. for the most part, 1U Rack-based synths should not be in a beginner's arsenal, unless they are willing to put up with growing pain and/or have a great patch editor.

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Using hardware saves on CPU - you can either record to .wav files (like rendering a VSTi) or have the sound feed directly in from the hardware unit. Both require almost no processing on your host machine.

Surely you're jesting, sire! What about that pesky problem with optimizing your system, ZLM, and what do you make of this whole "latency" dillema? Recording sound, especially several tracks is very CPU intensive (unless you have a very good sound card/interface - a la RME/Motu). Slow system will still be slow and you will have issues.

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If you actually buy the software (most don't), software instruments/fx are MUCH cheaper than hardware. Almost all professional/semi-professional EDM producers of today use hardware synthesizers, software FX, and a software sequencer. There are exceptions to this, but this is generally what proffesionals use.

yes, but it is changing. even Herbie Hancock is switching! it's just that moving to soft-based is not easy or very intuitive, at times. there's also a learning curve that's much steeper than hardware. and that's a major stopping factor for some musicians. Hernan Cattaneo wrote about making a track or remixing a track on a way to the gig. Made it on the way on his laptop, burned it to CD and played it at his gig. Now, if that's not a way to work - I don't know what is. Imagine setting up your studio on a plane =). (no, and I don't mean that if you have a plane all to yourself).

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Originally posted by Subtle more, and more software, and less quality music..

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Originally posted by emc^2 depends. Have a listen here and tell me your thoughts:Synthology.net demo of patches for V-Station

still sounds like vstation. Presets are quite good, but it still limited to the nature of vstation.

Try the vengeance forum. They make patches for hard- and software.
Download the hardware demos and listen, how big the difference still is...

Trancevision

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If you actually buy the software (most don't), software instruments/fx are MUCH cheaper than hardware.

I think software is overpriced, for what you get, not all but most. For one it's hard to sell software, you get hardly any money for it. I don't like the fact that when you buy software you don't own it. If you read the disclaimer most software you buy comes with weird terms, almost like leasing it. I can't lend my vsti synth to a friend, it's breach of end user agreement - and I can give my virus hardware to any friend for whatever ammount of time, and it's perfectly legal.

I am no way against software but there are downsides to both software and hardware I guess.

But my worst fear of software is this: Once new operating system comes out some of your favorite software might no longer be usable. So you're might be left behind, it depends on the software company that makes it if they upgrade it to work on the new platform. But a lot of times they will charge you money. So You pay eaven more.. And with hardware it's like this.. A hardware minimoog that was used 15 years ago, can be used toady with say sx 3, or any thing that records audio and has midi... try that with software that's 15 years old..


And by the way, I use both hardware and software synths for the ultimate combination.

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But you do loose the controls of the hardware and IMO thats all the difference.

Which is easier, Programming a hardware FM synth with limited buttons/interface, or using NI's FM7 modulation matrix???

I think the main problem(or not) with software is that because it is so much more acessable, the quantity of music produced is going up, but quality is suffering as a result.
I don;t you can say hardware sounds better just as a rule of thumb though. whats inside the hardware anyway, computer chips and stuff.

A lot of producers are going to software. just read mag interviews and alot of the producers say their making the transition

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Originally posted by Kiddy5825 Which is easier, Programming a hardware FM synth with limited buttons/interface, or using NI's FM7 modulation matrix??? I think the main problem(or not) with software is that because it is so much more acessable, the quantity of music produced is going up, but quality is suffering as a result. I don;t you can say hardware sounds better just as a rule of thumb though. whats inside the hardware anyway, computer chips and stuff. A lot of producers are going to software. just read mag interviews and alot of the producers say their making the transition

mate,you watch to much tv and read to many magazines....they make the trasition but that doesnt mean that hardware is something in the past...as a sequencer i think more than 70% of the producers use software at this time...but as for synth i'm not sure so sure....anyway...as you can see korg developed OASIS wich is like a P4 inside with linux software...roland is not so far behind with the v-synth...so i would say that in the future the hardware producers will offer more software based hardware synth and for sure they will never go fully software...

Half of the amateur producers out there dont even buy software though . Why spend money if they can go download it via P2P file sharing? Its not fair i know because it restricts the company from gaining profit and producing further materials but you cant stop it. Yet i dont understand a lot of people now, why should you say that people with software produce less quality music... honestly, Alphazone and Prodigy 2 solid groups of producers.. their music kicks major ass, is it bad quality because they use software? is it non listenable and do they need to show off with software, they have the money they could use hardware but why when you get nearly same possibilities with software

Ill stop rambling because i know people are starting to boil up.

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Originally posted by emc^2 so, my vote - software is the key. hardware is on its way out. considering the raw power of Live, FL Studio, Reason, Buzz, Absynth, Kontakt, and others - the hardware manufacturers will have to come up with some serious goods to compete. Besides, take a rompler like Korg Triton - what do you think is the shelf life of something like that? How dated will these sounds be 2-3 years from now? well, with software romplers like Atmosphere you can expect a long long life. So, that's my thought for the day.

Yes, and i was gonna add that people that can program computer language like C++, can get a hold of the source code to many of these VST's, people alone can make their own software, A LOT more easier then it is to make yor own hardware...duh.. aswell as its easier to get new patches,banks,updates and what not.

I think thats true that a lot more prop producers have switched to software. I'm not sure if anyone has heard of the following but they all use FL Studio.

S.H.O.K.K
Icone
Flutlicht

And these guys are all making a living of it too. (not sure bout icone :P )

Hardware is bad because of gear lust. There should be a disclaimer on every box.



Who cares what you use though? If the tracks good, its good, if its its shit then nothing will change that. Is it really going to make that much difference if your pads are mad from 1 osc on po53 or 18 oscillators on your virus Ti?

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