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Originally posted by St_Andrew Yes, it seems that most countries have this syndrome, esp the one about big cities/densly populated areas, they are always a lot more pro change. Its interesting, i wounder if its only because there are more business ppl in big cities, with contact with the rest of the world? Another interesting scenario would be if hollands turnout simply were bellow the 30% that the dutch government have said is needed to make the vote valid. This is kinda likely, since france now voted no already, and it might seem like there is no real need to go out and vote for the dutch ppl.

I think in my experience from watching referendums down the years in Ireland, that the people who indicate they will vote no in the polls are usually the people who go out and vote,mainly because they feel they have some sort of grievance and are much more likely to vote, this has been the case in Ireland anyhow in that the "no" part of polls are generally pretty accurate.

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Originally posted by zig But i wonder what will happen to the other referenda in other countries, will they still go ahead or is there any point.

Looks like its pretty agreed upon that the ratification process must continue

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4592415.stm

I still have hope, this will only slow down, not stop... but its bad enough...

honestly it doesn't surprise me at all that the no won i 've been tempted to vote no myself too but i finally voted yes but it didn't change things since the no largely won
well now there is an intern crisis in france chirac lost his credibility and raffarin could be kicked out of the government he had an appointment at the elysée this morning
we are now waiting to see if we will have a new prime minister
his politics have been a disaster france situation is serious 10% of unemployment rate ,crisis with relocation in eastern countries ...
all these factors played a huge role in the reject of the constitution most of the french were scared this constitution make their own situation worse than right now


france can't be kicked out of europe but for now the atmostphere gonna be "cold" in brussels

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Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l france can't be kicked out of europe but for now the atmostphere gonna be "cold" in brussels

No, but nothing's stopping the remaining countries to form a new alliance, say neo-EU, built on the EU and the constitution, and leaving the EU. Then France can stay the only member of the EU, while the neo-EU continues.
I don't think that will happen, though, but it's a legal possibility.

Nicolas Sarkozy for President!!

Philippe de Villiers for Prime Minister!!

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Originally posted by trancaholic No, but nothing's stopping the remaining countries to form a new alliance, say neo-EU, built on the EU and the constitution, and leaving the EU. Then France can stay the only member of the EU, while the neo-EU continues. I don't think that will happen, though, but it's a legal possibility.

Yes, then we might be able to scrap CAP and the insane moving of the parliament to strausburg too... *dreaming*

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Originally posted by zig But a very interesting week ahead and for once this forum will be dominated by European politics, which cant be a bad thing.

Indeed, its very nice

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Originally posted by trancaholic No, but nothing's stopping the remaining countries to form a new alliance, say neo-EU, built on the EU and the constitution, and leaving the EU. Then France can stay the only member of the EU, while the neo-EU continues. I don't think that will happen, though, but it's a legal possibility.

Isn't it possible to kick out a member country if all other member countries agree upon it? I think it is...

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bah! bad choice....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4595423.stm

De Villepin appointed French PM

Dominique de Villepin has been named as France's new prime minister, following the country's rejection of the EU constitution in Sunday's referendum.

The former interior minister replaces Jean-Pierre Raffarin, who tendered his resignation following the vote.

President Jacques Chirac promised cabinet changes after the referendum, in which almost 55% voted "No".

Correspondents say the result reflects domestic discontent as well as wider anxiety about the European project.

Mr Chirac had campaigned for the "Yes" vote, along with government and main opposition parties.

He is due to address the nation on Tuesday evening to present a policy for the new team, which is expected to govern until elections in 2007.

I have always been aware that what is healthy for the nation does not go unblamed by public opinion
Jean-Pierre Raffarin
Outgoing prime minister

Mr Chirac has not yet named other members of the new government.

But reports say Nicolas Sarkozy, the leader of the ruling UMP party, will return to the interior ministry, a post which he held before Mr de Villepin.

Mr Sarkozy is one of France's most popular politicians, and seen as a possible future president.

Career diplomat

Mr de Villepin is best known abroad for expressing France's implacable opposition to the war in Iraq at the United Nations, and is likely to go down well with European allies.

He is also regarded as a consensual politician and is personally loyal to Mr Chirac.

But the BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Paris says that as a career diplomat never elected to public office, he of all candidates most typifies the French elite so roundly rejected by the French people on Sunday.

After Mr Raffarin resigned, he said in a TV broadcast that he had made his decision independently of the EU vote.

He attempted to justify his attempts to reform France, but acknowledged these had not been accepted by the French people.

"I have always been aware that what is healthy for the nation does not go unblamed by public opinion," he said.

Opinion polls suggest that Mr Raffarin was one of France's most unpopular prime ministers since the Fifth Republic was set up in 1958.

He offered his support to his successor, who needed, he said, to continue the vital European project.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf bah! bad choice....

why? i dont really know much about him, except that he was really anti the iraq war (obviously he was right...)

and also he has imposed many things restricting the radical muslims, which you if anyone should be very happy about?