if you cant argue in a civilised manner - shut your face


...or this gets closed.

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thats a pathetic comment, ive made a perfectly "civilised" post there, and backed up my argument

nice interview there

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Originally posted by scAza I agree that doesn't mean much as I'm sure he means they're fans of his production work, not his DJing (assuming they havent heard him spin) I haven't heard him DJ either but I've heard only good things, hence the excitement This thread is the first I've seen with people actually criticising him for anything. He's one of the best young trance talents in the world as far as I can see, and he's British, and already there's people slagging him off. Its pathetic imo. I can instantly tell a J.O'C production and instantly tell an Askew one. Yes he's definately been influenced by Askew, but there's tonnes of differences in the structure and the style of tracks.. Askew's are nearly always a break that just ends with the beat coming back and no "big riff" involed: just really driving set-building tracks. J.O'C on the other hand mostly does huge Euphoric trancers with really catchy melodies. Only an idiot would say "ooh he's just an askew wanabe" imo. Someone's trying to look cool by being controversial methinks

actually it has nothing to do wit controversy. What you're seing is justa difference in generations. On the one hand, you have those who b elieve they've lived thro the best eras that trance has to offer and have moved on tastewise to something a bit more intelligent, be it other genres or just trance that doesn't sound like it's made in 30 minutes in a program with a vst involved, and the newer people, maybe those who didn't do 95-2002 ish in trance and failed to see the glory days, and are left with the new stuff, not realising how good it was, and that the 'controversial' people are not just haters but people who're striving for consistency and quality in productions from producers who've lost the plot in that case.
That doesn't make them cocks or anything, just knowledgable people who have standards that are not being met, hence the death of trance in many peoples minds and a feeling of being let down. If that makes those people cocks in your opinion then so be it, but they could do a lot worse than find out what tunes made us fans etc

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Originally posted by scAza I agree that doesn't mean much as I'm sure he means they're fans of his production work, not his DJing (assuming they havent heard him spin) I haven't heard him DJ either but I've heard only good things,

I stopped reading right about there.

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Originally posted by Ian^ actually it has nothing to do wit controversy. What you're seing is justa difference in generations. On the one hand, you have those who b elieve they've lived thro the best eras that trance has to offer and have moved on tastewise to something a bit more intelligent, be it other genres or just trance that doesn't sound like it's made in 30 minutes in a program with a vst involved, and the newer people, maybe those who didn't do 95-2002 ish in trance and failed to see the glory days, and are left with the new stuff, not realising how good it was, and that the 'controversial' people are not just haters but people who're striving for consistency and quality in productions from producers who've lost the plot in that case. That doesn't make them cocks or anything, just knowledgable people who have standards that are not being met, hence the death of trance in many peoples minds and a feeling of being let down. If that makes those people cocks in your opinion then so be it, but they could do a lot worse than find out what tunes made us fans etc

to be fair tho ian ive sat through with trance longer than many on here as u well know and i havent moved on to "more intelligent genres". Indeed i do listen to a wide range of stuff but i still love to listen to trance and i still think that there is a huge amount of talent out there now maybe even more so than days of old.

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Originally posted by DRM to be fair tho ian ive sat through with trance longer than many on here as u well know and i havent moved on to "more intelligent genres". Indeed i do listen to a wide range of stuff but i still love to listen to trance and i still think that there is a huge amount of talent out there now maybe even more so than days of old.

talent maybe, but why are the end products in many cases not very good ? The whole mastering in a lot of cases sounds poorly done. I do still like good trance, I just find that there's less I'd classify as fitting into that

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Originally posted by scAza thats a pathetic comment, ive made a perfectly "civilised" post there, and backed up my argument nice interview there

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Originally posted by scAza get over yourself you absolute gimp

civilised ... no.
backed up your argument.... no.
does mikey where a leather mask restricting breathing... no.

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Originally posted by DRM to be fair tho ian ive sat through with trance longer than many on here as u well know and i havent moved on to "more intelligent genres". Indeed i do listen to a wide range of stuff but i still love to listen to trance and i still think that there is a huge amount of talent out there now maybe even more so than days of old.

thats dabatable:

most trance these days doesnt bring anything fresh to trance, still trance.... trance doesnt need to become some "intelligent new genre" like it is trying to be (a la prog trance, markus ****z, armin van bordem. etc), trance needs to be fun and stop taking itself so seriously.

And trance producers need to using the same sounds and even melodies for 50 years. there is even about 1000000 new 200x reamkes eevry year now and and it is fucking crap. whne somebody said ocalla's tunes sound like askew well how can you deny that, ive heard some of his recent stuff and yes it does, does that warrant somebody being called names or whatever for stating the truth?

and we all know askew just rips off pvds kicks and bass etc. maybe if you stop being blinding by the big name / popular sound bollocks in the industry, take a step back and take an objective view you may see there is a fuckload of bullshit going on (im not saying this refers to JoC in question, just the way this thread has progressed) and this bullshit is making people money, and as long and shit makespeople money people continue to make crap music, stifling (sp) creativity and trance as we know it remains in some stale rejected toilet.

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Originally posted by Ste does mikey where a leather mask restricting breathing... no.

Not what ive heard

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and he's British,

He's Irish, no offence

secondly,
Ive been mates with John for many a year now and I can honestly say he is a great DJ, this thread was abt his DJing and not his productions, he's playong all the best clubs in the UK, Anybody who has actually seen him has not been disappointed.

If you wonna down his Djing PLEASE go and see him first instead of going by what you read on the msg boards, If you wonna down his productions skills then listen to all the tracks he's made, if you dont like them fair enough but you cant say the production of them is shite.

Nuff Said

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Originally posted by Ian^ talent maybe, but why are the end products in many cases not very good ? The whole mastering in a lot of cases sounds poorly done. I do still like good trance, I just find that there's less I'd classify as fitting into that

it's just changed, don't see how you can really compare trance from the late 90s and present.

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Originally posted by sykadelik He is an Askew wannabe, practically stolen his kick and effects in the tunes he produces.

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Originally posted by scAza I can instantly tell a J.O'C production and instantly tell an Askew one. Yes he's definately been influenced by Askew, but there's tonnes of differences in the structure and the style of tracks.. Askew's are nearly always a break that just ends with the beat coming back and no "big riff" involed: just really driving set-building tracks. J.O'C on the other hand mostly does huge Euphoric trancers with really catchy melodies. Only an idiot would say "ooh he's just an askew wanabe" imo. Someone's trying to look cool by being controversial methinks

there you go.. argument nicely backed up

yeah Irish oops!

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