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Originally posted by Pippins Hi djmetatron. I still disagree with you on this quote. Like I had mentioned before, Lot of work is involved, when doing a live DJ act, whatever the software is. I've sene NU NRG using Tractor, and I use Live.

But it's not live PA.

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Using a Laptop is no different than Vinyl. with 24-bit sound card, it can sound as good as a Vinyl.

Yeah, but it's still not live PA.

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When a track is playing, we do have to do beat-matching, mashing, EQ, and all other just like any other DJ. You have a completely wrong idea in your head, that laptop does all the work for you. All the laptop does, is PLAY the track, just like a Vinyl spinning.

I know exactly what a laptop does.

Did you evey read my post? I said it feels like the DJ isn't doing much. I even put that word in bold in my previous post because I knew you would overlook it you dolt.

I use Traktor to record my mixes. It's easier to beatmatch with these programs due to sync functions in the software. In my opinion this takes a lot away from the live element.

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You must have been seeing the wrong kind of all new kids on the block Wannabee DJ's. Who is Infected Mushrooms anyway ?

OMG your dense.

Listen, there is a difference between DJs like you who simply replace the turntables and mixer with a laptop and DJs that use laptops to more easily access there productions and are able to edit them on the fly. BT's Laptop Symphony is an example of this. BT's is a long time producer and has the clout and ability to pull off an entire show with a laptop. Btw, I really want to see it, I've heard it is very good.

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I've actually had the chance to meet PVD in person, and have talked to him, and was behind Armin in the DJ booth. So You as a DJ should know many things get involved.

Wow good for you...

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?

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Let me ask you this ? What is your technique of beat matching? Can you do a actual trainwrecking, mixed with a needle-drop, and water-drops?.

uhhhh oookaaaaaaaaaaaay...

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Whatever technology you use, the point is an ear for the music, and talent and techniques. I cna tell you many Vinyld DJ's who basically s***K!. Here is an example. Markus Schultz . Saw him once, and last time. That guy has no talent. Playing all TATW tracks, and wearing funky clothes, and nodding and clapping made him a super DJ. He fades out a track........ and fades in the next... My neighbors 3 year old son can do it, with a cross-fader.

I saw him as well and he doesn't fade in and out, if any DJ like him did that anywhere they would be shunned for life. This shows you have no idea what your talking about. He beatmatches and mixes just like any DJ, but one thing that sets him apart from other DJs (including you) is that HE PRODUCES TRACKS. Some of which are very good. Wait til' you have years of experience producing before you go bashing a DJ that does with baseless claims.

And funky clothes? OMG lol. When I saw him he was wearing a red soccer jersey or something. What was he wearing when you saw him? A collared shirt? OH MY! Shun him and his trendy, funky clothes.

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Bt's laptop symphony is pretty good.

I beg to differ, it absolutely sucked in 2003 when I witnessed it with the nonstop flanged snare rolls, made my ears bleed.

Way out West's live sample manipulation and doodling over the top is miles better.

Hello djmetatron.

This is a pointless argument, so without getting angry, and flaming, let's settle this, and put things clear.

I was not bashing any DJ's, and you calling me names would not help. So here are my comments, to your comments!

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Originally posted by djmetatron But it's not live PA.

Well, I know. No DJ' act is a live PA. That is not the point this thread started on. Nobody is talking abot live PA. Your whole starting argument was that you *felt* Laptop DJ's are not doing anything. Nobody talked about live PA. So, there you go.

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Did you evey read my post? I said it feels like the DJ isn't doing much. I even put that word in bold in my previous post because I knew you would overlook it you dolt.

Calling me names, will not get you anywhere. Sorry.

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I use Traktor to record my mixes. It's easier to beatmatch with these programs due to sync functions in the software. In my opinion this takes a lot away from the live element.

Without talent, no software can help you. You say you use Traktor to *record* your mixes. But you need to beat-match WHILE recording it. Softwre helps quite a bit I agree, but speaking for myself, you really need to listen also. Just my thoughts

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OMG your dense. Listen, there is a difference between DJs like you who simply replace the turntables and mixer with a laptop and DJs that use laptops to more easily access there productions and are able to edit them on the fly. BT's Laptop Symphony is an example of this. BT's is a long time producer and has the clout and ability to pull off an entire show with a laptop. Btw, I really want to see it, I've heard it is very good.

You are right. I can't compare myself to BT at all. I'm not even close. I do admire him, that's all. I was not comparing myself to anybody. I just said, I get ideas and inspiration and tricks *listening closely* to PVD remixes.

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I saw him as well and he doesn't fade in and out, if any DJ like him did that anywhere they would be shunned for life. This shows you have no idea what your talking about. He beatmatches and mixes just like any DJ, but one thing that sets him apart from other DJs (including you) is that HE PRODUCES TRACKS. Some of which are very good. Wait til' you have years of experience producing before you go bashing a DJ that does with baseless claims.

HELLO! WTF are You talking about ? Markus was nobody, and he was picked up by Armin, when he took him under his wing, under the ARMADA label. Markus started playing and remixing all Armin tracks.
Markus does not produce at all. I'm willing to bet on this. All he does, is remix already produced tracks by Armin and sometimes M.I.K.E. I'd like you name me just 1 track that he produced.

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And funky clothes? OMG lol. When I saw him he was wearing a red soccer jersey or something. What was he wearing when you saw him? A collared shirt? OH MY! Shun him and his trendy, funky clothes.

LOL! Ok this is funny!. What I meant to say was he is too damn pretentious. I'd not go see Markus, even if he was the last DJ on earth. Again, I'm not bashing him, but saying that, IMHO he has no *mixing* talent. Laptop, or Vinyls, whatever.

Wasn't that the whole point this is about ?

Peace, man!

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Originally posted by Pippins Well, I know. No DJ' act is a live PA. That is not the point this thread started on. Nobody is talking abot live PA. Your whole starting argument was that you *felt* Laptop DJ's are not doing anything. Nobody talked about live PA. So, there you go.

Do you that thing at the top? That big bold thread title? That says the words "Live PA" in them? Have you actually read the posts in this thread, or did you just drop by for some self-promotion.

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Originally posted by Pippins ..... Well, I know. No DJ' act is a live PA. That is not the point this thread started on. Nobody is talking abot live PA. Your whole starting argument was that you *felt* Laptop DJ's are not doing anything. Nobody talked about live PA. So, there you go.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Do you that thing at the top? That big bold thread title? That says the words "Live PA" in them? Have you actually read the posts in this thread, or did you just drop by for some self-promotion.

^^^yeah

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HELLO! WTF are You talking about ? Markus was nobody, and he was picked up by Armin, when he took him under his wing, under the ARMADA label. Markus started playing and remixing all Armin tracks. Markus does not produce at all. I'm willing to bet on this. All he does, is remix already produced tracks by Armin and sometimes M.I.K.E. I'd like you name me just 1 track that he produced.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Markus+Schulz

...and remixing IS producing, just a different form of it.

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LOL! Ok this is funny!. What I meant to say was he is too damn pretentious. I'd not go see Markus, even if he was the last DJ on earth. Again, I'm not bashing him, but saying that, IMHO he has no *mixiWasn't that the whole point this is about ?

I thought he was actually one of the least pretentious DJs of the bigguns... Tiesto, PvD, Oakenfold, Armin. Anyway if you have a problem with a DJ when he has a bit of an ego then you will have a problem with about 90% of all DJs, including myself .

j/k, btw I didn't mean to be that rude, at the time I was about to go to work and I'm always pissed before work. lol

Ableton is meant for live remixing, not a replacement for decks and vinyls. Yet I still see djs (or so called) playing prepatched sets, not even using the crossfader at all.

If your purpose is to simply mix, stick to your vinyls/cds, but definately use ableton live to remix.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Faithless don't use any laptops. Faithless live is 100% analogue.

sister bliss plays keyboards is what i meant

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