gumble's moral of the story: you dont have to be useful to be amusing

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN gumble's moral of the story: you dont have to be useful to be amusing

hmm house dont suck nomore?

thats right prog house rox!

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Originally posted by RobSolaris hmm house dont suck nomore? thats right prog house rox!

oh please. house is like an expensive hooker. it never stops sucking

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and so it begins

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ONE of the eight unionists sacked by a Melbourne company as new labour laws came into force this week intends to mount an unfair dismissal claim against his former employer. The eight men, all long-term employees at Triangle Cables, in Port Melbourne, were given up to four weeks' wages in lieu of notice and told yesterday their services were no longer required. Triangle Cables has fewer than 100 employees and is exempt from unfair dismissal claims under the new Work Choices laws that became effective on Monday. ACTU Secretary Greg Combet alleged today that the eight workers were sacked because of their union membership or union activities. Mr Combet also claimed the company had restructured itself to have fewer than 100 workers so it was exempt from unfair dismissal claims. The 58-year-old worker who plans to take action, known only as Richard, was a machine operator with the company. He said he was given no explanation for his sacking. \"Nothing, absolutely nothing. I was given an envelope and on there it just said, `Please be informed that your services are no longer required by Triangle Cables. Consequently, your employment is terminated',\" he told ABC radio today. \"There was no reason given at all beyond that quote.\" Richard said he had had clashes with the company's owners and had \"made a little bit of noise\" about occupational health and safety issues. He said he plans to take action against the company for unfair dismissal. \"That's what I'm hoping. That's why I'm at union headquarters at the moment, and I'm hoping that I can make that claim,\" he said. \"I will endeavour to do that ... probably in the next day or so.\" Earlier today, Workplace Relations Minister Kevin Andrews said if the ACTU claim about the workers was correct, the eight men could have a case for unlawful dismissal. \"If that's true then this is an unlawful dismissal, they have a case and indeed the onus would fall on the employer to show that they were sacked for some other reason, rather than being members of the union or engaged in union activities,\" Mr Andrews told ABC radio. \"Mr Combet also said that he believed the company had restructured itself to have less than 100 employees – that's also provided for in the legislation. \"A company can't do that without penalty. \"We actually thought about this and we put a specific provision in the legislation to prohibit that sort of conduct.\"

good work johnny you cvnt.

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I wasn't around for the start of this thread, so I missed this.
unfair dismissal laws sucked for sure. As a manager, I had staff I'd love to replace, people who were absolutely lazy or just plain hopeless. others who would have been more productive weren't able to be employed as the positions were filled.
The new laws however are a disgrace. If you are employed in a small business, you now have no job security. Sure or economy is gong strong now, and has for last 5-10 years (we were one of the only ecomies not to be knocked about by 9/11), but what will happen at some point in the future if we go into recession? many people will lose their jobs just because the profits are falling, and business can not keep staff on. Employers will be able to just say 'sorry we have no work for you' and the employees will have no recourse for action.
I am no unionist (I think they were becoming more and more redundant until now) but I can not agree with the IR reforms. Worst decision by this govt.
As for earlier posts about people stealing, that was grounds for dismissal (proof certainly helps), but I think the laws only needed to change from the 3 warnings, back to 1 warning. That way the employee is given the opportunity to alter their behaviour, and then if that fails, bye bye. Now it's just see ya.
Kevin Andrews was asked on Lateline on Monday what would happen if a boss just didn't like the employee, and his answer was along the lines of 'from time to time there will be personality clashes' indicating it is ok to sack someone in this instance. This is seriously bad news.
You can also kiss goodbye to penalty rates, weekend rates, RDO's meal breaks etc if you get a new job, and the employer is a tight ass.

A great example of why these reforms are wrong is the 3 cabinet makets sacked yesterday and hired back as casual labour. They had wages, vans, and mobiles all provided by the company, and they were obviously not the so called troublemakers that we keep hearing about, as the company is hiring them back. Bottom line, more money in the companies pocket. Somehow I don't think this will be passed on to their customers.

I believe that if you are prepared to work a forty hour week and are reasonably competent at your job you should have an expectation of a living wage. Any company that can't afford to pay their employees a living wage should not be in business. Why should your average wage earner have to subsidise other people's business.

We did need change, the warning system did make problems, however they were few and far between. Interesting that in the 1400 odd pages of the reforms the promise of $4000 to help people with unlawful dismissal claims doesn't seem to have rated a guernsey. It was pretty useless anyway the average cost to mount a case like this is apparently more like $30,000, which means it's way out of most people's range particularly if you don't have a job.

Most of the people on these forums won't suffer, they are the type of people that employers want to keep [lot of university people here] The poorly educated , unskilled labour will be the biggest loser particularly in combination with the unskilled visa's for overseas worker who are being paid in their own currencies. I must admit I was shocked that the cabinet makers got the chop though, I would have considered them the type of skilled labour that wouldn't have been vulnerable to these "reforms".

It makes me very sad to see a society's profits based on the suffering of people. And we won't hear from most of these people. They have neither voice or resource.

skot_e, good to see it from both sides.

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Originally posted by DIDI the promise of $4000 to help people with unlawful dismissal claims doesn't seem to have rated a guernsey. It was pretty useless anyway the average cost to mount a case like this is apparently more like $30,000, which means it's way out of most people's range particularly if you don't have a job..

Ironic isn't it. "here's 4G to fight your case.... oh yeah you need to come up with the other 26 G... Centrelink is that way->..."

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Originally posted by gumble I'm in a Union, wear a blue singlet and drink VB, and i think the proposed reforms are shithouse. And I'm also sick of all these damn foreigners taken the farken jobs. And this country went down the shitter when we gave women the vote. First that, now guys have to fork out heaps for child support and we've got bloody poofs running around out in the open. Its a bloody disgrace.

I originally read this post as straight out sarcasm, but wanted to say about "all these damn foreigners taken the farken jobs." - if Aussies werwn't so damn lazy, then they would be doctors etc. It's only because most Aussie's would rather party than study, whereas the other cultures, especially asian, really focus on study.
Don't blame OS people for your own faults (in general, not you gumble)

somebody's gotta defend the little people, and it sure ain't johnny!

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Do your jobs efficiently and effectively and you wont need to worry... If that means not posting on forums then dont post!

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That's me in the corner, That's me in the spotlight, I'm Losing my religion, Trying to keep up with you ,And I don't know if I can do it, Oh no, I've said too much,I haven't said enough, I thought that I heard you laughing, I thought that I heard you sing, I think I thought I saw you try.

But that was just a dream, That was just a dream, But that was just a dream, Try, cry, why try? That was just a dream ,Just a dream, just a dream, Dream

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN nah, i disagree. this has been something they've wanted to do since they came into office and has been a background feature always. and by that i mean abolishing the right of any worker in a small business from accessing tribunals. when they have control of the senate as parliament resumes this will be going through at some stage for sure. unless the union movement can get enough people agitated about it (i dont think so) amendments will be flying through to the keeper quicker than shane warne's last fuck.

^^ just wanted to point out to everyone just how right i was. fuck im good.

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Originally posted by Paulie Do your jobs efficiently and effectively and you wont need to worry... If that means not posting on forums then dont post!

um, yeah. coz good workers have never been taken advantage of or sexually harassed or abused or pressured in any way!!

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK somebody's gotta defend the little people, and it sure ain't johnny!

couldnt agree more.

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