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Cal
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira


You DO realize you're pitting your point of view against studies?

Gee, logic VS empirical science, what's going to win I wonder.


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Old Post Aug-28-2005 01:08  Ukraine
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Lira
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You DO realize you're putting your point of view against studies?

Yes, I actually do, as there will always be theories for and against pretty much any given point of view, otherwise discussion wouldn't be necessary.

In fact, if you happen disagree with any words I have said or, if you believe in a view that differs from mine, be my guest and let's discuss. Or would you simply be satisfied by me giving you names of researchers so you have studies against the points of view posted by other users in this thread? I could do that as well.

(I changed the quote from pitting to putting as I believe that was a typo)
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Originally posted by Cal
Gee, logic VS empirical science, what's going to win I wonder.

"Win"? Is there a competition or anything I'm not aware of?


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Old Post Aug-28-2005 17:27  Brazil
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Eh, since this scenario happens in only 4% of the cases, it really doesn't seem to be an evolutionary jack-pot. It shows that humans are not 100% monogamous creatures, but that they more or less do hold on to their partners. Besides, I do not see why a guy who's commited to a relationship has to be any weaker, dumber, or less healthy than a guy who screws around. It seems that more often the opposite is the case, considering the fact that women do raise the real children of their partners in 96% of cases.

On a side note, I remember an earlier research that compared the testicle size of primates. Chimpanzees who were not monogamous had the biggest testicles because of the fact that a large amount of their sperm was needed to block and fight off the sperm of other chimpanzees. Some other apes (gorillas I think it was) were completely monogamous and had small testicles. Humans did have testicles bigger than those of gorillas, but not by much, indicating that the problem does exist, but it is not widespread.


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Cal
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Originally posted by Lira

I was talking about the studies quoted in the thread starter's post.

Also, it seems to me that a lot of what you wrote in this thread is based on the belief that humans are rational creatures, and I really disagree with that.


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Old Post Aug-29-2005 22:33  Ukraine
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Re: Your dad might not be your dad

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So assuming that we're about 20 active participants in here, that means that there's a 56% chance that at least one of us has the wrong dad. Hmmm.
To me, what matters is who raised me, though. I don't get the fuzz about biological ties.




hmm that would explain why just the other day my father stuck a ear swap in my mouth, snapped a lock of hair, and stuck me with a needle. he said it was for insurance purposes.


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Old Post Aug-30-2005 00:22  United States
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Originally posted by Cal
Also, it seems to me that a lot of what you wrote in this thread is based on the belief that humans are rational creatures, and I really disagree with that.

Actually, the reason why I did use logic in this thread was because the whole evolutionary theory, but I agree with you when you say that humans are not exclusively rational creatures. That's why evolutionary psychology is often seen as not even being real science, but that's a completely different point.

Let's take another approach, shall we?

There are way too many reasons why adultery can exist, but I'm using these definitions from marriage therapist Emily Brown, who is director of Key Bridge Therapy & Mediation Center in Arlington, Va. just for convinience, I'm not yet trying to prove anything:


  1. Exit affair: One partner has already decided to leave the relationship, and the affair provides the justification. Both men and women can have exit affairs.

    This is not a matter of logic. This is that situation in which one of the partners is not happy with the relationship and, instead of taking the logic approach (trying to fix it and/or breaking up) they eventually engage in an affair. This could give a certain sensation of safety (they ARE formally in a relationship), although their attitude shows something else. Here we have a flawed logic and no evolutionary backing here.

  2. Split-self affair: When partner sacrifice their own feelings and needs to care for others, the deprivation can catch up with them. This type of affair, which is serious, long-term, and passionate, affects mostly men.

  3. Sexual addiction affair: Men more typically indulge in this type of affair in which sex is an addiction that is used over and over again to numb inner pain and emptiness.

    I'd say this happens quite often, and our culture even supports such behaviour (being a "pimp"). Since men usually have to be tougher culturally, it's quite expected that such escapism methosd exists.

    If anything, this would be probably the only kind that could be related in some way to evolution.

  4. Conflict avoidance affair: When partners don't face each other when there is a problem, their differences cannot be resolved and the marriage erodes. This kind of affair affects both men and women.

    That's exactly the example I showed in the other thread, where my friend (the security guard) had affairs simply because he couldn't have a proper relationship with his wife. Another case where evolution wouldn't play a role.

  5. Intimacy avoidance affair: People who avoid intimacy are scared to get too close to someone else, so they erect barriers. While conflict is a common type of barrier, an affair is another. This affects both men and women."

    I reckon this is probably the most common kind of affair there is, since it's a way of being weak AND being love/accepted from others.

This is actually examples taken from someone who deals with it in a daily basis. No far-fetched theories, just an analysis of the many different circunstances in which affairs exist. Naturally, this is not a scientific theory, but the observation from which the theories come. You can have loads of different interpretations, depending on your "school". But the most important part is that humans are too emotionally complex in order to be explained as simply as the evolutionary psychology would suggest, for example.


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Old Post Aug-30-2005 03:39  Brazil
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Cal
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Originally posted by Lira


All those reasons you posted are not very relevant here.

The studies that the thread starter quoted are at a much more primal level of our existance as humans. I'm talking about things like the menstrual cycles of female university students that are living in the same dorm eventually syncing up. Or the tendency of the woman who is having an affair to unconsciously time her adultery to the time period of her menstrual cycle when she is most likely to become pregnant.


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Old Post Sep-01-2005 22:28  Ukraine
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