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Re: Re: Re: Re: Kanye West - "George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People"
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Tell me how Bush is responsible for local State government issues again?
Obviously he's going to step in, in a time of a major crisis such as this, but this fiasco of an evacuation had absolutely NOTHING to do with Bush so let's stop trying to blame him when we really should be pointing fingers at the locally elected state governer and local mayor. |
Oh fucking please. Get off the fucking Bush apologist blogs for one second and take a look at fucking reality with me. This is a local and State affair only?
Since when is a fucking natural disaster of this magnitude only a State matter? What fucking part of "FEDERAL" from the "F" in FEMA is not understood? What exactly is said on Department of Homeland Security Website and listed as a "primary responsibility", under which FEMA is coordinated under?: Here, let's look:
| quote: | In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp |
What part of that above is not comprehensible to you Bush apologists here? Is the Dept. of Homeland Security still a FEDERAL part of the government?
Now look, don't get me wrong here. I give no quarter to this major fuck-up from the local (mayor), State (governor), and federal level. That means anyone, ANYONE involved in this mess should share the blame accordingly.
Yet you seemingly want to avoid the fact that this is also a FEDERAL matter, and the response by our fucking FEDERAL government was just fine and dandy.
Bullfuckingshit.
You realize that this FEMA director, one that was appointed by Bush himself, didn't realize the people in the Superdome and Convention Center didn't have food or water UNTIL THURSDAY?!?!? Now you can discuss about coordination levels and problems from within all you want, and to much of that extent I'll agree with you. But this is his fucking job to know these issues.
But what on earth do you expect from an appointed GOP hack who's previous job was fucking horse shows - a job in which he got fired from?:
http://business.bostonherald.com/bu...rticleid=100857
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12554964.htm
That, sir, is disconnect in which simply one could have no possible answer for.
This fucking Administration is back to it's old defense of smear and shift the blame onto someone else. It's disgusting, especially at a time like this. When the fuck will they ever own up to their responsibilities? I will not let you or anyone else fall for that. Yeah, I read this article too which outlines Bush trying to shift the blame on local and state officials:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090301680.html
But the WaPost does us all a favor and counters this story with a great one of its own:
| quote: | Despite four years and tens of billions of dollars spent preparing for the worst, the federal government was not ready when it came at daybreak on Monday, according to interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior officials and outside experts.
Among the flaws they cited: Failure to take the storm seriously before it hit and trigger the government's highest level of response. Rebuffed offers of aid from the military, states and cities. An unfinished new plan meant to guide disaster response. And a slow bureaucracy that waited until late Tuesday to declare the catastrophe "an incident of national significance," the new federal term meant to set off the broadest possible relief effort.
...Indeed, the warnings about New Orleans's vulnerability to post-hurricane flooding repeatedly circulated at the upper levels of the new bureaucracy, which had absorbed the old lead agency for disasters, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, among its two dozen fiefdoms. "Beyond terrorism, this was the one event I was most concerned with always," said Joe M. Allbaugh, the former Bush campaign manager who served as his first FEMA head.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090301653.html |
And hey, Bill Frist must hate America too, right?:
| quote: | "No coordination with how many people will be coming in the door 10 minutes later," he told The Associated Press. "That's sort of the most disappointing thing. It's probably the greatest failure."
"Given the escalation of catastrophe that occurred over the first three days, absolutely I would have liked to see the federal government respond quicker, more rapidly, with better command and control centers and much improved communication," Frist said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_go_co/katrina_frist |
But it doesn't help, not one fucking bit that Bush himself essentially set out to destroy FEMA. That latter article from the WaPost explains it in detail.
Or how's this - Bush gave FEMA the authority to intervene LAST SATURDAY. That's right - they could have and should have been mobilized WITH OR WITHOUT state/local authority and coordination. When FEMA comes to town, you let them do what they need:
Or how about FEMA blowing off Chicago's offer to help that was given to them LAST SUNDAY?:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/hurricane/cst-nws-daley03.html
And let's see, what else did Bush do lately? Oh, how about faking levee repair for a photo-op?:
http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/9/3/19542/97952
Or how about the fact that his visit grounded Relief Choppers?:
| quote: | In St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, just south of New Orleans, victims of the hurricane are still waiting for food and water and for buses to escape the floodwaters, [ Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La.] said. And for the entire time Bush was in the state, the congressman said, a ban on helicopter flights further stalled the delivery of food and supplies.
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12548040.htm |
Nice, huh?
And speaking of FEDERAL response, how fast did Bush respond to his brother's state last year in comparison?:
http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2004-09-28/cover_story.html
And our military is standing by ready to drop food packages into the stricken area, but hasn't been able to yet because FEMA HAS YET TO ASK FOR IT:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/02/AR2005090200670_2.html
And in regards to other states wanting to send National Guard troops to help out, Governor Blanco had sent out those requests last Sunday, but some states weren't able to do so because BUSH WAS SITTING ON THE PAPERWORK UNTIL THURSDAY:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_national_guard
Well that wouldn't have anything to do with his vacation or anything now, would it? I thought he carries a fax machine around with him?
| quote: | Besides that, New Orleans has been under the water line for how long? I'm dumb-founded how there couldn't possibily be an emergency blue-print for exactly this kind of situation especially with the possibility of such a catastrophy staring them right in the face every single day...
But I supppose that's Bush's fault too... |
Motherfucking right it was. How about this "blueprint":
http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2763
A scenario FEMA had practiced over a year ago, on what to do in this exact situation/debacle we are in now.
Now just to recap, FEMA is federal, right?
And one other thing - Bush's father sent in some 25,000 troops for hurricane Andrew. Now why did he do that if such events were local and State matters only?
| quote: | | As far as the poor and helpless; what I'm refering to is exactly what's reflected in the Mayor's rant and what the article below has to saw; we're dealing with a welfare state filled with people who lost nothing and care about nothing, hence the lawlessness and chaos that has errupted. |
How do you know what they do and don't have? Since when has your white ass been down in the ghetto of New Orleans? Most folks there DID have a roof over their heads, right? They DID have some food, right?
And who are you to judge about what they "care" about? So they're just a bunch of lawless animals to you? All 100,000 of them, right? Because, hey, they live in dumps, they care about nothing, come on and say it - they CHOOSE to live this way, right?
Please think before you say callous shit like that. Of course I won't deny the lawlessness of some, but this should not be the focus, dear Faux News watcher. Yes there are those few who shoot, kill, and rape for no reason. But they are the rare exception and not the rule. There are also those who are lawless TO FUCKING STAY ALIVE too. But the last I checked, how most of those folks at the Convention Center were for the most part, peaceful. They were just sitting there waiting to die - and some did.
| quote: | Mother nature has kicked over the log of the democratic welfare hive and now everyone is going to pay; including the innocent, sick and downtrodden.
Last I checked (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but last I checked, welfare is a State matter. |
I'm trying to understand your point here. Please explain. And tell me how that relates to the complete failures of FEMA, a federal branch created to help in the case of natural disasters.
| quote: | Maybe Kathleen Blanco(D) should have done more to take care of that particular issue before it became an albotross around her neck.
But hey, let's financially support the drug dealers, crackheads and sloths cause you know, a country is only morally good as it's weakest link...
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As I said, I don't give Blanco any quarter for her share of blame. But it is a complete non sequitor to tell us about your belief on the background of these people, let alone make sweeping generalizations like you just did above about these people. "Drug dealers, crackheads, and sloths"? All of them, right? And they just deserve no fucking FEMA help, because they're all crackheads, right?
Who cares, man? They're human beings. First off, kill your generalizations on these people right now. Second, they deserve FEMA attention just as much as the next man.
I will not allow you to divert attention away from Bush's complete share of the blame like that. This is a disaster on all levels, INCLUDING THE FEDERAL LEVEL. There's a reason why a lot of Republicans like Frist are beginning to distance themselves from Bush right now, and it's a damn good reason too.
Edited after calming down a bit
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Last edited by MisterOpus1 on Sep-04-2005 at 20:31
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