We don't need no STINKING aid.

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Addy fo SHADDY ! hiccup, KA pladdy.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono TheraCIM...ah yes the Cuban EGFR Inhibitor. The American version of this drug (Iressa)

It that not British tho? Do you maybe mean Tarceva (not out yet) or Erbitux (has problems too)?

Anyway back to topic, I'd frankly say that now the US can probably handle itself with respect to aid situation really.

Though I supose because the US (unlike Cuba) doesn't have a free national health service there must be some poor people (who maybe don't have insurance) who could probebly use some free medical care?

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Originally posted by Dervish It that not British tho? Do you maybe mean Tarceva (not out yet) or Erbitux (has problems too)? Anyway back to topic, I'd frankly say that now the US can probably handle itself with respect to aid situation really. Though I supose because the US (unlike Cuba) doesn't have a free national health service there must be some poor people (who maybe don't have insurance) who could probebly use some free medical care?

American as in use in America and had clinical trials there as well. (the largest portion of AstraZeneca's sales are in the US and one of their corporate headquarters is there as well) Right now the biggest upside of TheraCIM is that it reduces the effects of the radiation therapy that is given in concert with the drug. The drug itself does very little (see Iressa), but when this class of drugs is combined with "traditional" cancer treatments (in this case RT), it helps to alleviate some of those toxic side effects.

I'm really not sure how many health care workers actually are needed. At the hospital where I work/study/research, there was an email sent out for volunteers to go down to help the victims. Over 1,000 people volunteered to go (Ohio State University has a large health care system, if you couldn't guess ). I'm sure if the response has been similar in other parts of the country, there are plenty of qualified healthcare workers that are willing to head down there.

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Originally posted by Yoepus How is this any different then when Iran had its huge earthquake at bam and still said no to Israeli aid and rescue teams (one of the most advance and experience in rubble recovery in the world)?

so sad, Bam was renowned as being one of the most profoundly beautiful cities in the world

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Originally posted by Yoepus I dunno why I'm always the one ending up defending these things

Obsessive-compulsive disorder?

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Originally posted by Yoepus but here are several possible explinations: 1) Cuban doctors are not certified according to international standards. 2) Fear that a spy/espinoage team willl be send under cover of this aid. 3) Deprivation of Cuba's doctors from their own population 4) The acknowledgement of legitimacy for the Cuban government, which the USA does not recognize. 5) Undermining US foriegn policy. 6) Theft/import of contraband. Now why is it so hard to see some possible courses of action the US government acted to this request in the way it did? Though admittedly I do not know the official or real reason...

I appreciate that you emphasized "possible", and I do agree that they might qualify as "reasons". However, if I kill a person "because he looked sad" that's a reason too - but not excusable behaviour nonetheless.
1) I would say that it would be a bad reason to turn away help if your in need of it. Say, if your windoze installation is fucked up, would you decline the help of your geek neighbour, just because he hasn't got a diploma issued by a specific government institution?
2) One wonders what secrets the US keeps among dying refugees? And how they can be so important that the US would sacrifice the lives of some of its citizens to keep them secret?
3) Valid reason - but a speculative one I'd say, given the Bush regime's track record with regards to caring about people in other countries.
4 and 5) Specifically, a flawed and failed foreign policy. Generally, just another nail in the coffin of the US image abroad. US foreign policy has been warped under the Bush regime to the point were few expect the US to keep to its promises in face of trouble. Changing the stance towards Cuba wouldn't be outrageous (unless you're a rich Bush-funding exile Cuban living in Florida).
6) There's quite a few other countries you shouldn't be accepting help from then.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco There is a good possibility that we didn't need Medical Teams anyway, from everything I'm reading...but accepting help from Cuba would, as the mustard stated, mean we acknowledge his government...and this is the man who tried to set up Russian Nuclear Missiles in his country, aiming them at us! How much does he really "care" about the good ole USA??

I'm sorry for having to say this, but you're way too illinformed to debate in here. Have you ever heard of CIA assasination attempts? Bay of Pigs? The first stone was thrown by the USA. Hell, the entire first load of gravel was thrown by the US.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco And don't forget the World-Wide Public Perception wind-fall for Cuba if they did provide "Big ole clumsy USA with Medical Teams from tiny, supposedly impotent, Cuba". Cuba would appear stronger than a Super-Power, and hence, gain credibility in the International Community.

So you chose to let your population suffer in order to ensure that some other country (Cuba) doesn't receive praise??? That's the most narrow minded, selfish, and hateful thing I ever read.
Furthermore, why would Cuba appear "stronger" than the US, just because it helped out? Denmark helps the US in Iraq right now, but no one would claim that Denmark is "stronger" than the super power.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Castro the Humanitarian? I don't know if he is or not......but he's a shrewd Politician. He knows the message this "offer" would send to the world should it be accepted. Even offering it and having it rejected (as he knew it would be) is still a political win-win for him (again, as he knew it would be), as there are more than a few people out there who are buying in to this ploy.............as can be seen right here on this board.

No one is "buying into the ploy" - we are just asking for a pragmatic stance. If you're in a hostage situation and a turned-proud Superman flies in the window with a bunch of photographers and offers to get you out of there, would you decline, seeing that his main motivation is attention?