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Originally posted by josh4 wtf Trancer

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Originally posted by Streakfury Why would they do that? I mean, it would only add fuel to the fire of all these conspiracy theorists about how 9/11 is another great cover-up.

Obfuscation by revelation

There is no conspiracy if it's out in the open.

Unplugged from the matrix

Sounds like your beginning to question things. That sick feeling you get from knowing the truth actually does happen.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Interesting post, Trancer. I kinda wonder if the tin foil hat could be worn by either party. Some Rightside tin foilers might claim some Clintonites might have covered this up a little bit, considering it was from 2 yrs. prior to 9/11. Like I said, it'll be interesting to see how far this goes...

A two party system working for the same global plan. Look at it this way:

Two different shift managers working at the same sheep slaughterhouse.

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel 2.5 Terabytes of documents on one person? I call bullshit on that figure, especially if the person is actually trying to say there were an equivalent number of documents to 1/4 of the contents of the library of congress. I will not refute someone was ordered to destroy documents. But the number is sensationalized. MrS

Imagine how much data has been gathered on you or I.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Even though i have my doubts if people in american inteligence agencies have any inteligence at all im rather certain that they employ at least one geek that knows how to use a divx encoder

Support free open source software and use xvid.

All the major release groups use it.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X And Able Danger was only one of many gov't. programs that were deemed to be illegal. It would be nice if people could learn these things so that I wouldn't have to constantly be dealing with naive, uninformed kids on here, but I do realize that's a lot to ask.

I hope you're not talking about me...

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Originally posted by Streakfury I hope you're not talking about me...

Oh, it's all about you - you egocentric bastard!

Ok, so it's almost a month since the story was first reported (I think). Has he testified yet? I haven't seen anything about it since. Was it all bullshit?

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Originally posted by Dj_Irish Ok, so it's almost a month since the story was first reported (I think). Has he testified yet? I haven't seen anything about it since. Was it all bullshit?

Like most everything else, it was probably just swept under the rug.

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Originally posted by occrider From my understanding, able danger not only spied on potential terrorists, but also spied on US citizens. This is of course, extremely illegal for a military intellgience service and prompted its shutdown. A double edged sword if you will ...

Supposedly, from what's been leaked by *anonymous inside sources* - it never really shut down. (It's probably just funded through the DoD's black budget - probably with no Congressional oversight.)

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Originally posted by Trancer-X On another note, I actually upgraded from the tinfoil hat a little while ago. I'm currently testing the new "mind guard" software beta on my Linux box - and I've been having some great success with it! Check it: http://zapatopi.net/mindguard/

I almost fell out of my chair!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X

Here, an improved HA HA (I was in the lab and bored out of my skull)

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

I wonder why nobody ever talks about Able Danger anymore? They may have destroyed the computer database but they definitely didn't destroy our memory of it (not mine, at least.) 2.5TB wasn't what anyone would call a small dossier.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 WASHINGTON - A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday. The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to identify the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa. Weldon declined to identify the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" — as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added. A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon's comments. Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, a Pentagon spokesman, said officials have been "fact-finding in earnest for quite some time." "We've interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta," Swiergosz said. He added that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding "intelligence data on U.S. persons." Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell. On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us." Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions. "It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday. Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks. Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon's claims. Source Site

I guess that I should feel a lot better since members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed it as having never existed. As with the majority of the evidence which doesn't correspond to the "official" story, they looked the other way.

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To view Rep. Weldon's entire 2002 speech to the Heritage Foundation, go to: http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/2002archive.cfm He displays the al Qaeda-Atta chart approximately 34 minutes into the presentation. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/.../29/12430.shtml