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Originally posted by Lepanto On contrary, shows that you don't know much. During wars rules change. Things like treason come into effect. But you know more about the US than the people who live here ofcourse.

Sort of how you know more about Germany than those who live there?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Lepanto, you are insane. I've rarely seen/sensed the kind of hostility you have towards Muslims on the TA forums.

I don't think he's insane - he's just extremely selfish. (Not that it's necessarily better to be selfish than insane...)

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Originally posted by Streakfury If it wasn't such a widely known fact that Mosques are used to recruit terrorists and show propaganda to Muslims on a mass scale ... But until it's shown that churches and synagogues are also being used for the same illegitimate purposes, they should be left alone.

You seem to have a confused grip of terms like "know", "fact" and "show". Just because something is widely suspected, doesn't necessarily make it the truth. There's no more proof that "mosques are used to recruit terrorists" is a fact than "british football stadiums are used as recruiting grounds for nazis" is one.

I think there better be justification and a warrant; no different than in a court case.

I don't agree with an unchecked government just randomly laying down wiretaps all over the place; that's government run amok IMHO.

I do agree, with strong justification, with a 'particular' mosque that may be suspect however.
Terrorists being recruited overseas is one thing, to have that type of scorage in your own backyard is something totally different.
When a country's sovereignty becomes threatened, then I would say justification is warranted.

Lets look at it this way.
If I was the owner of a 20 story apartment complex and I knew that say, the first couple of floors were filled with crackheads and prostitutes that wandered into the local neighborhood at night, I think I'd take action too.

(and no I'm not comparing members of Islam to crackheads and prostitutes so forget about that connection... )

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I do agree, with strong justification, with a 'particular' mosque that may be suspect however.

I don't think anyone think this is more wrong than witetapping anything else. Of course if there is strong proof that terror recruiting is going on in one particualar mosque you can wiretap that one. However that is legal today so it's not really what we are discussing (if I'm not misstaken?)

No im preety sure the discussion is about wiretapping all the mosques in the USA. And i think its a damn great idea! Becouse as we see in the news there is a wery thin line between terrorism and islam these days, so we all know islam = terrorism. And I say wee need to find at once who those bad bad terrorists are and shoot them in the face with a bazooka!

Oh and while we are at it why not tap all the churches also, becouse there is a wery thin line between christianism (spelling?) and child porn these days, and we all know that being a priest = fucking a 7 year old boy up his ass.

So im all for tapping, just why stop at mosques, lets tap everything and remove the DNA of those bastard from the gene pool

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Originally posted by St_Andrew I don't think anyone think this is more wrong than witetapping anything else. Of course if there is strong proof that terror recruiting is going on in one particualar mosque you can wiretap that one. However that is legal today so it's not really what we are discussing (if I'm not misstaken?)

Don't worry, I understand the subject topic.
I was simply agreeing with the current legal tapping of a particular, singular mosque and not this blanket, paranoid vision of tapping all...

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Originally posted by Lepanto Vlad the show you were listening to wouldn't happen to be Howard Stern would it? Because I heard that as well and...IT'S HOWARD STERN.. Also, by wire tapping do you mean it's done legally or through the Homeland Security?

No I dont listen to that dumbass.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

What you guys need to do is read "Prophet of Doom", in there the entire Quran is taken apart and deciphered... no in articles or paragraphs, but they take entire chapters and literally translate what they mean. After that, youre thoughts and ideas of Islam being a religion of peace will slowly melt away.


This is something that my friends father said...

"Not all Muslim's are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim."

What do you think?


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My thoughts on the wire tapping, are for it. Why shouldnt we tap places where terrorists can be taken refuge? Why shouldnt we tap places that might be plotting against us in our own backyard? These people are in OUR house and are trying to destroy it, how could you allow that to happen? Of course the liberals are gonna come out of their shell and say you cant do that, thats not right, blah blah blah, but it IS right. This country has become so feminized its embarrassing, we have no balls left.

And as well, I would tap churches and sinagogues just to make it evened out.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

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Originally posted by Vlad What you guys need to do is read "Prophet of Doom", in there the entire Quran is taken apart and deciphered... no in articles or paragraphs, but they take entire chapters and literally translate what they mean. After that, youre thoughts and ideas of Islam being a religion of peace will slowly melt away. This is something that my friends father said... "Not all Muslim's are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim." What do you think?

I think if you were actually informed about Islam and didn't consume hateful propoganda like you mentioned earlier, your thoughts of Islam as a [insert negative term here] religion would "slowly melt away."

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Originally posted by Vlad __________________________________________________ My thoughts on the wire tapping, are for it. Why shouldnt we tap places where terrorists can be taken refuge? Why shouldnt we tap places that might be plotting against us in our own backyard? These people are in OUR house and are trying to destroy it, how could you allow that to happen? Of course the liberals are gonna come out of their shell and say you cant do that, thats not right, blah blah blah, but it IS right. This country has become so feminized its embarrassing, we have no balls left. And as well, I would tap churches and sinagogues just to make it evened out.

So now are you suggesting that we discriminate against religion?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I think if you were actually informed about Islam and didn't consume hateful propoganda like you mentioned earlier, your thoughts of Islam as a [insert negative term here] religion would "slowly melt away."

How is it hateful when its taken straight out of the book. Its not like hes criticizing one or to lines or words (which you could do with any religion), hes taking full chapters and explaining them word for word.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So now are you suggesting that we discriminate against religion?

Where in what I said does its say that you discriminate religion?

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

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Originally posted by Lepanto On contrary, shows that you don't know much. During wars rules change. Things like treason come into effect. But you know more about the US than the people who live here ofcourse.

You know, I actually think St_Andrew does know more about America than you!

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Originally posted by trancaholic There's no more proof that "mosques are used to recruit terrorists" is a fact than "british football stadiums are used as recruiting grounds for nazis" is one.

Actually, there is. I don't know anything about football stadiums being used to recruit Nazis (although it wouldn't surprise me) but there have been numerous undercover reporters that have made documentaries about the subject of terrorism recruitment within British mosques. The video evidence in these documentaries speaks for itself. And no, it's not just some lame guy who's posted a home-made video on the internet. These documentaries have been shown on national television here in the UK. Although the main subject of the documentary was terrorism itself, it clearly depicts the recruitment of young Muslims by their leaders to be trained as terrorists. It was actually quite worrying to see this happen in my own country.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You just said, twice, that's there's a thin line between Islam and terrorism. Well I'm Muslim, and am far more familiar with "real" Islam than you. I wonder, would you have been a Nazi 50 yrs ago? EDIT: Not to mention that you just suggested wiretapping mosques would be a good idea.

So, as a Muslim, how would you go about stopping the recruitment of potential terrorists in Mosques? Clearly you're against the idea of wiretapping or using other methods of "keeping tabs" on what happens in Mosques, so how would you personally like the situation to be dealt with? Do you, in fact, think that there's a problem at all?

It's funny, I always hear on the news about how terrorism suspects have been arrested or questioned. Whenever it's revealed that the suspect happens to belong to a minority group, that particular minority group (more often than not) get very upset, and usually protest, and often make claims that the local law enforcement agencies are knowingly persecuting them in the local area. I guess my question is, how are we supposed to curb the recruitment of terrorists, if, whenever a suspected terrorist is arrested, the local communities scream blue murder? Are the police supposed to just let this recruitment process continue, just incase a minority group decide to make accusations of racism etc? How would you personally like to see things handled?

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