Every time I read that story in its various manifestations on this board I find myself asking:

So what do avant-gardists listen to these days?

and every time I ask that question nobody answers. Everyone seems to want to be the mythical early adopter, the person who liked the thing before it was cool, the person who enjoyed it before it all went to hell and the masses made it retarded. Yet there is never any talk of new unfamiliar sounds, nobody ever mentions songs of a new style, nobody comes in here to talk about the new exciting thing they found which challenges the norm and is only made up of these cool early adopter types. Do they mean to hide it from the rest of us to protect their eliteness? Or does this early adopter crowd listening to an elite new style of music that we will only know about years after it has lost its true essence no longer exist?

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 So what do avant-gardists listen to these days?

Glitch, microhouse, power electronics, noise, IDM, and any genre with the word 'experimental' in front of it. Also, downtempo too. Like Nu Jazz with odd time signatures.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Glitch, microhouse, power electronics, noise, IDM, and any genre with the word 'experimental' in front of it. Also, downtempo too. Like Nu Jazz with odd time signatures.

i heard a "noise" song once
call me single-minded hehe, but i'd rather chew glass than listen to that

all i can say is, my poor ears
they cannot withstand sharp sounds

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Originally posted by Azz3D i heard a "noise" song once call me single-minded hehe, but i'd rather chew glass than listen to that all i can say is, my poor ears they cannot withstand sharp sounds

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Originally posted by Ishkur Glitch, microhouse, power electronics, noise, IDM, and any genre with the word 'experimental' in front of it. Also, downtempo too. Like Nu Jazz with odd time signatures.

yikes, thats all the kind of music found on most netlabels and all over blogs and stuff. Are there ppl making a living off of those sounds? All I have ever heard that is within any of those genres(except IDM and downtempo) have came from ameteurs and were posted on the web somewhere, had no idea that those were early adopter musics.

Cant say I have ever seen anybody play music like that at a party, where do ppl that like that stuff gather? Is this something I dont see anywhere because it hasn't penetrated america yet?

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 yikes, thats all the kind of music found on most netlabels and all over blogs and stuff. Are there ppl making a living off of those sounds? All I have ever heard that is within any of those genres(except IDM and downtempo) have came from ameteurs and were posted on the web somewhere, had no idea that those were early adopter musics. Cant say I have ever seen anybody play music like that at a party, where do ppl that like that stuff gather? Is this something I dont see anywhere because it hasn't penetrated america yet?

nah, it's just coz the only people that listen to it, do so in the basement of their parent's house whilst fapping away to midget porn

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Zebeila's gimmick never really appealed to me, are any other DJ's doing those sorts of musics well? (sorry for the tangential topic all you kids who started the thread)

Usually I find that these early adopter types are a bit hypocritical and I tend to stay away from them, but it seems like one must make music that appeals to them at some point in order to become a respected musician. The early adopter crowd appear to be the vital group for getting a musician off the ground so I imagine it would be somewhat exciting to be part of that crowd who gets to decide which music makes it and which stuff never sees the light of day.

I find that most complaints about trance center around this idea that these sort of cutting edge people no longer listen to trance and therefore the music is all unoriginal and made for sheep. Personally I never really cared very much about that and found alot of the older people I would meet to be quite cocky little shitheads. The idea that something ceases to be quality because a larger group follows it than before has never made that much sense to me but all the experts are on the other side of the argument so I must be wrong I guess. Quality must only exist when stuff is on the cutting edge and only a small niche follows it, at least that seems to be the point that most people are trying to make in their various posts on this forum.

I have some quotes(slightly abridged)from other posts that I have gathered from various places that echo how I feel about alot of these "avant-gardists":

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Every counter-culture is, for a brief initial period, the sole domain of a handful of founding elites who inevitably find a certain sense of superiority in the exclusive nature of their undertaking.

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This movement takes a particularly hypocritical stance in this case since the principle messages of the movement have been aimed at a loosening, opening-up and liberating attitude toward information and the use of tech.

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Yet, when the 'early adopters' find their turf invaded by a diverse and rapidly increasing population of interested explorers, all of these principles disappear in a puff of ego. They are no longer a unique few, where each individual has a significant voice in the formulation of opinion and credo. Instead, they feel that the purity of their private territory has been violated and immediately take steps to regain the sense of uniqueness they once had

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Since the increasingly interested masses are never defeated, this conflict usually sends the founding elites scrambling as they abandon all the trappings of the movement and fleeing headlong into the latest undiscovered piece of exclusionary rebellion. And frequently this requires that they turn their backs on many of the ideals that the previous movement (now dying in their minds, as the concepts takes root in public consciousness and cause the change they claimed to be fighting for in the first place) and reprogram their value/belief system in order to conform to the new.

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This kind of valuation of image over substance is exactly what so many of these people seem to be attacking