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Philby
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Melbourne, Australia

get pc powerplay magazine and look at the beastie, its usually around $2000 and probably great stuff for that money, and go from there?


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Serp
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Melbourne

quote:
Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem
Serp's got it right (oi dave! ) - non-ASIO sound cards (ie onboard sound, or the sound cards that 99% of pre-built computers come with) are an arsepain to work with because of their horrific audio latency (any ISA card from the mid-80s will have acceptable MIDI latency for external devices, heck MIDI's slower than a 56k modem in terms of baud/bit rate). For any serious audio production you're going to be heaps happier with an ASIO2-able soundcard. Needn't be expensive, either; that dude that bought me one spring roll too many on Tuesday is also the Australian distributor of M-Audio, makers of the Revolution 7.1, which is a nice, inexpensive (like not much more than $100 iirc) 24/96 sound card with rock-solid ASIO support and more-than-good-enough audio quality at both the input and output stages. Not that much more gets you a quality outboard box (firewire or USB2) with multiple ins and/or outs.

With a proper ASIO sound card, every tweak of the controls on-screen will result in an instant (<10ms) change in timbre, in comparison to non-ASIO (ie onboard/consumer kit) stuff. Basically ASIO means that there's no delay between when you ask the computer to do something to the sound that's being generated and when it gets done.

All of which is not to say that you can't produce tracks with non-ASIO gear; when working with soft synths entirely, the digital-to-analog (playback) stage of your sound card (and in fact the whole ASIO thing) is only a factor for monitoring while you're composing, since the actual rendering is done in software by the host CPU for most audio packages (Protools, I think, can render thru Digi hardware, but still, no digital-to-analog conversion until the CD is played in the CDJ). That said, I'd rather piss on an electric fence than try to play a softsynth via MIDI on a non-ASIO (ie 500ms+ latency) soundcard.


exactly dude, couldn't have said it better myself


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Serp
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Melbourne

quote:
Originally posted by Philby
get pc powerplay magazine and look at the beastie, its usually around $2000 and probably great stuff for that money, and go from there?


while the system those guys put together is a great gaming/everyday pc
keep in mind though that audio pc's should differ greatly from gaming pc's

one main reason is that the guys behind the high end soundcards generally don't have the resources to test the card on many systems especially the latest cutting edge pc's. it can lead to a great deal of problems mostly with motherboards. while it is a pain in the ass you can put it down to the fact that they are more focused on producing a high quality audio product than a cut-down "work on anything and everything" sound card.

as a guide with anything audio-related, a good place to start is to aim to build a system dated by at least 6 months (or more) to be on the safe side.

also STAY AWAY FROM VIA CHIPSETS!

but in the end if you hate pc's or are just very serious about your producing

BUY A MAC!


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Anomyst
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Melbourne

I really love PC's - Macs give me the shits! hehe

Ok, i will rephrase my Qtn.

"If you had between $2500 and $3000 to spend on a puter, what would you build? the more detail the better." this is a killer decision as i need it to last a while..

Thanks All for you Infinate Wisdoms.


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Aesthetic
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: somewhere between the melody and the pads

all points valid, but for someone who doesnt use a midi keyboard or the like.. he'll be fine for now. if you're using the mouse to point and click in the piano roll.. that shit aint real time.. and i know alot of software based producers work this way by just playing back the entire tune with the hardware buffer all the way up.

using a midi keyboard or an outboard device of course latency would be important.. but for his needs, i dont think he should worry about it now, thats all im saying.


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Anomyst
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Melbourne

Begic, i will be getting a midi keyboard very soon.


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Anomyst
www.interview.net.au



Registered: May 2003
Location: Melbourne

ok,

i think i have almost worked it out..

Case: Antec SuperlanBoy Sonata 2 450W - Soundproofed

Graphics Card: 256Mb 7800 GT VIVO

Sound Card: M-Audio Delta 10/10 LT

Motherboard: Gigabyte 8I945p Pro

Processor: Intel Pentium 4-640 3.2 G

Ram/memory: 2G (2X 1G) DDR2 Kingston

HDD: Maxtor 16M SATA 300g

Mouse: MX 518 Mouse

Keyboard: Logitech

Monitors: M1400D19U - Dell™ 1905FP 19 UltraSharp LCD Monitors (X2)

So far... (Subject to change)


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sunrise3500
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Under the sea

maxtor? gigabyte? pentium?


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Anomyst
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Melbourne

quote:
Originally posted by sunrise3500
maxtor? gigabyte? pentium?


Why do you say that?

I had Nyquist Help me out with it, and he knows a thing or two about systems.

but i would love to know why you dissagree with maxtor? gigabyte? pentium?


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sunrise3500
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Under the sea

quote:
Originally posted by Anomyst
but i would love to know why you dissagree with maxtor? gigabyte? pentium?

maxtor suck. they're like the worst since IBM (IBM DEATHSTAR) when it comes to reliability, and only give you 1 year warranty. go with seagate, and you'll get 5 (they actually have FAITH in their products cos they DONT suck), and probably save money :O

gigabyte suck, the reality is what you end up with is cheap rubbish. they'll take a chipset, and even make it not run at its specs

pentium? well why wouldnt you go with an athlon 64 processor? why oh why... I seriously don't get it.. better performance, much more future proof.. heh

well that's my opinion...
and if you get like a dvd burner.. go with Pioneer, or NEC.. preferably Pioneer


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pkcRAISTLIN
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Registered: Jul 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Anomyst
Why do you say that?

I had Nyquist Help me out with it, and he knows a thing or two about systems.

but i would love to know why you dissagree with maxtor? gigabyte? pentium?


he's saying that coz he's being a fanboy
im not sure about maxtor, but gigabyte certainly do not suck. a whole bunch of my gamers have gigabyte boards & cards and theyre rock solid. ignore the fan boy

yes, the last time i checked the AMDs were better than the intels, but your system looks pretty sweet.


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tachyon
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne, the MC domination central.

i would suggest getting Western Digital for HD. has been proven to be more reliable.

don't deal with too much hardware these days, but asus was always the first choice for motherboards and was quite big back then so i'd expect things has improved greatly.


i am in favour with athlon64. i've been an amd fan since the k6-2 days.



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