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Originally posted by Reactic don't exaggerate, maybe their self-productions may become a bit commercial, but they still produce tracks, which aren't suitable for the mainstream, AND realize, how many people they introduce with their fame to the scene, with their sets which are still full of quality trance..

trance is dead and burried my friend.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 trance is dead and burried my friend.

Then i must have missed the funeral.

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rate the sound, not the artist.

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Originally posted by TCB say what you want about pvd and tiesto but leave armin out of this!!!

What exactly makes him better than the other two?

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My take on... (various mixes planned, updated when I can be arsed)

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Originally posted by fastmp3 he should include his name in the list, and armin/ferry/tiest0r/etc's names too

thought u died

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the ironic thing here is that this comes from the guy who thinks Andy Moor is the next big star in trance

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Originally posted by Ian^ the ironic thing here is that this comes from the guy who thinks Andy Moor is the next big star in trance

I've lost whatever respect I had for PVD after reading that.

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Music for your Mind

I have to agree with PVD. And to be frank, PVD is no sellout. He makes tracks for love of the music & the dancefloor, much like the rest of us. He can't stop people from liking the infectious beats that he produces. Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo and their ilk make music for the radio, so a generation of 13-year-olds have something "fast" to dance to at the school dance. PVD has been and always will be at the forefront of dance. He has championed the trance nation for years and for us to turn on him like many of you are doing just ain't right. Trance is evolving, producers can't keep making the sound of Binary Finary's "1998", or Age Of Love's "Age Of Love" forever. It just so happens that vocal trance seems to be the vogue at the moment, you can't blame PVD for trying to take the tired subgenre that is vocal trance to a new place. He may not always succeed(egs. "Spellbound", "The Other Side", "Kaleidoscope"), but just think of the advances he has made to trance in general through his productions (egs. "For An Angel", "Another Way", "Seven Ways", "Connected"), and the list goes on and on. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I think PVD is one of the most important people in trance today, if not ever.

how fucking old is that quote.. i saw it ages ago. + if im not mistaken only half of that was actually quoted from pvd, the rest looks like its been made up.

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Originally posted by Lyle I have to agree with PVD. And to be frank, PVD is no sellout. He makes tracks for love of the music & the dancefloor, much like the rest of us.....PVD has been and always will be at the forefront of dance. He has championed the trance nation for years and for us to turn on him like many of you are doing just ain't right....It just so happens that vocal trance seems to be the vogue at the moment, you can't blame PVD for trying to take the tired subgenre that is vocal trance to a new place.

Dude, you don't seriously believe that, do you?

Paul Van Dyk WAS once at the forefront of trance music, but sadly i think that this era is well and truly over. You just have to look at his most recent singles and his "Reflections" album to see that things have taken a turn for the worse.

We all know that Paul Van Dyk has made some brilliant productions in his time, and he certainly has the ability, but whether he now chooses to use that ability to make unique, innovative trance productions is another story.

Example

Deep Dish - Say Hello (Paul Van Dyk Remix). The original version of this remix that Paul has played in sets such as PVD Live @ 15 Jahre Maximal was actually very cool in my opinion. It utilised a tasty acid baseline and sounded very full and punchy. For some strange reason, the version that PVD released dropped the acid influences, and was noticeably different to the version he has played in sets. Overall, it sounds like a watered-down, appeal-to-the-masses version of the track with all the meat taken out of it. Many others on this forum have made comments about this change, and it is quite disappointing to see this happen.

I will let someone else carry on, because i have run out of things to say atm.

Seriously guys, you are going far. Too far. Some of the posters here dont like trance anymore and hate PVD now, but comparing Ian van dahl, Lasgo or Sammy with Paul Van Dyk is really exaggerated.

"Cheese" in the past seemed to be tunes with horrible vocals, non-sense lyrics or crap sounds. Today it seems that every track with success - or from one of the top djs -, vocal or not, good or bad produced is cheese. Someone would point out that last tunes from Paul includes these terms but seriously, even the worst of his productions is some worlds away from best Sammy track. And that´s the truth, and mofos that only want to make others laugh and look cool here could try to make something useful with their lives.

Tranceaddict is becoming a place very rare lately - oh, and that i registered last July doesnt mean i havent been reading this boards for years now - , it seems that people really enjoy bashing everyone that moves a finger in the trance scene. Dont want to generalize, there are still a lot of good people here but this starts to look very weird. Reviewing every Trance release as "crap" or saying it "suxx" and leaving good or "omg" comments in house-psy-progghouse-minimal-electro-underground releases gives you an "extra" status here.. and if you think the opposite you become a "stupid n00b", a "wanker", you get a nice "stfu" or faces like


Let me ask you a question guys. What would happened if Sammy starts to play the same music in his sets like Sasha, or Lawler, or Masyello, or Digweed, or Jhon00, or Angello, or Morillo, or Sander Kleinenberg .. And if he starts to produce the same style like Pole Folder, Chable, Tiga, Lucont, WOW.. would make these Djs & Artist become cheese? Yes? HA! Would like to see that.

Really guys, or we stop this bashing at time or we are going to arrive at a point where every artist or dj "suxx" and maybe - on topic - maybe we are a bit responisble of the actual music situation. Think it.

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Originally posted by toffy even the worst of his productions is some worlds away from best Sammy track

DJ Sammy - Sunrise > Paul van Dyk feat. Heppner - Wir sind Wir



in fact, almost every sammy, lasgo or ian van dahl track is way better than Wir sind Wir.

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I dunno perhaps you guys are right. The way i rate DJs is how good the party is. In my opinion Paul Van Dyk blew the doors off of SummerStage on Aug 20 in NYC. When he dropped beats at the party the crowd went absolutely crazy. Ok, so maybe his CD's suck or whatever, but live, i would have to say its another story. Hearing a DJ on CD compared to live--theres really no comparrison.(imo)