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thoughtlessjex
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina

Just a few nitpicks, and things I think could be made clearer.


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And the majority of trance music (at least from what I have transcribed) use basic major scales (often from C).

I disagree with this. Most of the trance I hear is in minor keys based on A. It's true that Epic trance is known to employ major scales, but as far as trance goes, Epic should not be considered the rule of thumb, IMO.

This isn't to say you shouldn't start with major scales, though. They're easier for most people to teach because most people learn them first. You just shouldn't imply that you're teaching them first based on usefulness in trance music.

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Therefore, if you see an Am you know its an A chord (A (root note) + C# (major 3rd) + E (perfect 5th) with the C# flattened by 1 semitone. therefore an Am = A, C, E.

Small error, you've used Am to refer to both Am and Amaj.

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Therefore we have: STEP (from C to C# to D), STEP (D to Eb to E), HALF STEP (E to F), STEP (F to F# to G), STEP (G to Ab to A), STEP (A to Bb to B), HALF STEP (B to C)

The essential thing to remember is that a major scale goes: STEP, STEP, HALF STEP, STEP, STEP, STEP, HALF STEP

These two paragraphs seem to contradict each other. The order of steps and half steps becomes dissimilar after the first few notes and there are more steps in the second paragraph than the first. You repeat this later on when adapting to minor scales, so I suspect I may be missing something. If I am missing something, maybe you could clarify as to this discrepancy.

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This is essentially the same scale repeated twice, and you can do it with any scale from any root. Extend the numbering system up to 16 since you now have 16 notes to deal with.

I've known about this convention for a long time, and I've never understood it. From C4 to C6 is very plainly 15 notes in octave scales, and a two octave jump in sheet music is denoted 15va, yet the notes seem to be numbered C1 = 1, D = 2, E = 3, F = 4, G = 5, A = 6, B = 7, C2 = 8/9, D = 10, etc. I'm willing to accept this convention, because I've seen it so many times, but no theory text I've seen can tell my why the hell I'm doing it, or even noted it as somewhat odd or bizarre. I can't possibly be alone in this. An explanation would be nice for the few people that just don't get this part.

Other than these nitpicks and comments, it's very thorough and informative. I can see a lot of effort went into it. Good job.


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nhibberd
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Utrecht, Netherlands

If your just starting out at production.

Just start your sequence off in an 'Am' pad and progress by ear from that. For a lead sequence go crazy on the white keys. Have a bassline go:

BD [X---X---X---X---[
BG [-x-x--xx-x-x--xx[

play bass on the base key of the pad sequence.

You have a basic start to a trance track.

1.1 If you are curious as to the toneladder of other minor keys, manually transpose the 'Am' toneladder(white keys) in your sequencer to the desired key and you can see the notes of the desired toneladder.

Go with 138 BPM, 'Am' scale to make it an easy track to mix into a set.

kind regards,

Charlie D

P.S. If your looking for Major scale remember that the C scale is also all the white keys and apply that knowledge to paragraph 1.1.


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tripudio
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Vancouver

Thanks was a really good read!!! nhibberd you help me with you basic trance song, sometimes the simple things is all we need.

after reading this post, I just put together something that sounds good on the ears!!, well atleast mine lol

thnaks


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The Drow
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Israel

nice post dude


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nhibberd
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NP


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Music has survived wars, famines, the plague and many other things and has evolved with man across many cultures. Dance music is just the next step in the evolutionary chain. My guess is that it will probably be with us untill we are extinced.

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paulc_dj
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Registered: Feb 2005
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Quality post. Thanks a lot geezer! Should definitely be stickied!

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DJ RPG
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Location: United States

hey...that was helpful.

Derivative, did you post the extras somewhere? I saw the replies were from 2005/2006, and couldn't find the other scales/chords/music theory threads.

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