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shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
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| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
What I don't understand is why "all the law abiding muslims" aren't more vocal about their position regarding extremism. |
Many of them are. It's rarely covered in the media though. But most of them are ALSO aware of Western prejudice against Muslims and how they're constantly portrayed as subhuman savages in all sorts of mediums (press/entertainment etc). Just look at what "your democraticaly elected" leaders have been doing to the Middle East for decades (the current war, cases of torture, sexual asube, arrests without any proof and then people being released without charge after being tortured the shit out of). But I don't really thing there is any point in trying to explain it to you since you're likely to disregard what I or anyone else will tell you as BS or an "unsubtantiabted claim" (since that basically how you've responded to this information when I brought it up earlier). Most Westerners are bascially obvlivious to the horrible shit their Goverments have been doing to "those" countries/people for decades (and the press and Goverments choose to keep the people in the dark about it). And ofcrouse you're gonna say something like, that's not true/is an exagerration or we have a free press or whatever.
Why don't you tell me something instead, why is it, that when I start a thread about torture, unreasonable arrest plus torture, war crimes, or anything regarding the plight of Muslims and Arabs, virtually no one responds? Is it becuase people agree with it on or support it? No, it's cuz they don't know what to say.
2 facts you're going to have to face if you want to understand the answer your question:
1. There is an anti-Muslim/Arab bias in the press.
2. Muslims/Arab nations have been opressed (many times very violently) by the main Western powers for decades now for their own greedy self-interests.
EDIT: I'm sick of saying the same thing over and over agian without anyone paying attention to it or simply saying/thinking that it's BS.
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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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 Nov-12-2005 08:33 
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St_Andrew
I <3 NYC
Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Many of them are. It's rarely covered in the media though. But most of them are ALSO aware of Western prejudice against Muslims and how they're constantly portrayed as subhuman savages in all sorts of mediums (press/entertainment etc). Just look at what "your democraticaly elected" leaders have been doing to the Middle East for decades (the current war, cases of torture, sexual asube, arrests without any proof and then people being released without charge after being tortured the shit out of). But I don't really thing there is any point in trying to explain it to you since you're likely to disregard what I or anyone else will tell you as BS or an "unsubtantiabted claim" (since that basically how you've responded to this information when I brought it up earlier). Most Westerners are bascially obvlivious to the horrible shit their Goverments have been doing to "those" countries/people for decades (and the press and Goverments choose to keep the people in the dark about it). And ofcrouse you're gonna say something like, that's not true/is an exagerration or we have a free press or whatever.
Why don't you tell me something instead, why is it, that when I start a thread about torture, unreasonable arrest plus torture, war crimes, or anything regarding the plight of Muslims and Arabs, virtually no one responds? Is it becuase people agree with it on or support it? No, it's cuz they don't know what to say.
2 facts you're going to have to face if you want to understand the answer your question:
1. There is an anti-Muslim/Arab bias in the press.
2. Muslims/Arab nations have been opressed (many times very violently) by the main Western powers for decades now for their own greedy self-interests.
EDIT: I'm sick of saying the same thing over and over agian without anyone paying attention to it or simply saying/thinking that it's BS. |
Actually I don't really agree with you here. There might be a lot of bad stuff about Muslims in the media, but that's because there are a few Muslims who do horrible acts. The media has never cared to report the good things, so I don't see why this is any different than any other event. For example, you often hear that *all Muslims aren't like that* in the media, but I never heard that *all americans aren't like that* when we read about all the stupid things your government does, this despite the large anti-American movement that actually exists. To me the "anti muslim" bias in the media is simply the wrong of how media works, not anything particular against Muslims.
That said I don't think it is good in any way at all, but it's just the way it is. And to fight this Muslims must speak up much lauder against this, show that they are too normal peaceful ppl who don't support this kinds of things at all. A much larger lobby group that knows how to work westerners is needed for sure.
As for why few replies to your threads about torture, first of all, people do reply. Second of all, at least not from my side, there is not a whole lot to argue with. Sometimes I would just reply with some boring one liner about how terrible it is, sometimes I would just subscribe to the thread to see whats being said in it if anything. Of course there are probably a few who don't respond for the reasons you outlined, BUT those are in a minority, at least in this forum.
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Nov-12-2005 13:38 
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