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Originally posted by RebeL9 you obviousy haven't heard techno before then

Well...yeah! Can you give me some good songs that spew the essence of techno. Classics, current techno, the whole nine yards. Whatever you can think of. Conjure me up a small but powerful list please....

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Originally posted by RebeL9 that is not the Space Brothers Chakra. This is Chakra from Israel.

hmm. it even sounded similar! (a little)

and here I was wondering how come I had never come across that tune before..

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Well...yeah! Can you give me some good songs that spew the essence of techno. Classics, current techno, the whole nine yards. Whatever you can think of. Conjure me up a small but powerful list please....

What does that gotta do with this? You just said that Cave doesn't do techno which is pretty funny because he is one of the fastest rising stars of the european techno heaven.

www.cave.no

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I believe Ambient can be close to the earlier Techno.
But then again some Ambient is more like Trance without the beats.
It's problably because of the development of the synthesizers. They can produce sounds which weren't available at the beginning of Techno.
That's why I think Duo Safri is a good example that Trance is a sub-style of Techno, which in this example is close to the Detroit Techno without the melody and synths.

In my view examples of Techno almost can be everything.
The name sub-genre or sub-style proves to me that it will remain difficult to give examples of Techno without being able to also place it in a sub-style.

That is why it is difficult to place early work of The Prodigy in a sub-style. True, they had a style (sound) of there own, but since I see Techno as the mother of father of many sub-styles it would be Techno, just sounded different from everything made before.
It's alway difficult to place a experimental group in a box.

Trance is a sub-style of Techno, so maybe it's better to ask for the difference between Detroit-Techno and Trance (or differences between other sub-styles like Rave, Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, Ambient etc.)

Since many Techno fans at this forum are fans of the Detroit Techno sound, I believe it is good to keep this in mind when someone mentions Techno.

Examples of Techno in time: 10 Years Of Techno:
http://www.discogs.com/release/121988

Speedy J - Pullover

Speedy J, like the Prodigy had a sound of his own, but still developed out of Techno. Maybe it's only experimental Techno. Not all sounds should become a sub-style.

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The Prodigy is Big Beat. Speedy-J isn't Detroit Techno, and he used to make "IDM", made some trance, and ambient, and Techno.

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BIG BEAT The term "Big Beat" started being used during the 90's to name the style of artists such as THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS and PROPELLERHEADS, who where mixing savage Rock riffs and beats with Techno sequences and Breakbeat loops. The combination is a powerful and fury "Rock" version of Techno. Other representative Big Beat artists are FATBOY SLIM, OMAR SANTANA, LUKE SLATER, and THE PRODIGY.

http://www.intuitivemusic.com/tguidebigbeat.html

"The combination is a powerful and fury "Rock" version of Techno."

Like I said, all sub-style of Techno.
Big Beat is a small one.
But also The Prodigy combined other sub-styles of Techno. The beat was like their signature.

I believe there are to many sub-styles.

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hmm i like that techno clip

i dont think that cheese song could be "dance"
dance is just all music that is electronic
MTV calls it stuff like missy elliot and madonna, pop with synths

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Originally posted by mndeg hmm i like that techno clip i dont think that cheese song could be "dance" dance is just all music that is electronic MTV calls it stuff like missy elliot and madonna, pop with synths

no euro dance is actually a genre of its own.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I believe Ambient can be close to the earlier Techno. But then again some Ambient is more like Trance without the beats. It's problably because of the development of the synthesizers. They can produce sounds which weren't available at the beginning of Techno. That's why I think Duo Safri is a good example that Trance is a sub-style of Techno, which in this example is close to the Detroit Techno without the melody and synths. In my view examples of Techno almost can be everything. The name sub-genre or sub-style proves to me that it will remain difficult to give examples of Techno without being able to also place it in a sub-style. That is why it is difficult to place early work of The Prodigy in a sub-style. True, they had a style (sound) of there own, but since I see Techno as the mother of father of many sub-styles it would be Techno, just sounded different from everything made before. It's alway difficult to place a experimental group in a box. Trance is a sub-style of Techno, so maybe it's better to ask for the difference between Detroit-Techno and Trance (or differences between other sub-styles like Rave, Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, Ambient etc.) Since many Techno fans at this forum are fans of the Detroit Techno sound, I believe it is good to keep this in mind when someone mentions Techno. Examples of Techno in time: 10 Years Of Techno: http://www.discogs.com/release/121988 Speedy J - Pullover Speedy J, like the Prodigy had a sound of his own, but still developed out of Techno. Maybe it's only experimental Techno. Not all sounds should become a sub-style.

Yeah...and you people say that *I* give others the wrong idea about electronic music.

people, if you have no idea what you're talking about, you'd better just say nothing at all really

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im starting to think that alot of people in this forum,, you know,, really get *orf* on putting art into pigeon holes.

the discussion so far must have half of you getting hard and wet by this point. 'look over there! a newbie has the wrong idea about techno! time to get my peener out and wave it in his face until he shuts up! YEA! I SURE SHOWED HIM.'

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Originally posted by RebeL9 What does that gotta do with this? You just said that Cave doesn't do techno which is pretty funny because he is one of the fastest rising stars of the european techno heaven. www.cave.no

I just listened to that whole set and it screams house. I mean, sure it's actually techno, but there are elements in that set that are extremely familiar to house. This similarity I'm talking about is the fun, feel-good melodies which is usually centered on heavy bass and banging drums. The same elements which make house such a nice music to listen to. And when I said that your techno sample sounded like house I did NOT mean this:

house
house2
house3

I meant something along these lines:

sample
sample2
sample3
sample4
sample5

I know it's a pitiful explanation, but the second set of samples show what I mean by feel good melodies and my comparison to techno. Of course, there's still a lot to be learned on my part.