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Originally posted by _-MIl0 No offence but comparing yourself at mixing to halliwell is probly like comparing The local High school jocks to Pro Players. When its your job to mix and youv been doing it for 10 odd years the longest part of mixing is figuring out which track your gonna mix in. I personaly play out a minimum of 4 times a month (not including radio gigs) + the ammount that i practice and i find it takes longer for me to load the next record/ Figure out what its going to be then to getting the song qued up and beat matched. Also halliwell probly takes short cuts in his mixing like haveing all his cds pre established at the same bpm and starting qued up to the first beat. Btw if anyone says "OMG THAT ISINT MIXING" i will be forced to call you an idiot becouse in my personal opinion mixing is developing a night and bringing a new element to songs which is exactly what halliwell is doing.

That isn't mixing. And you're an idiot for thinking it is. Why doesn't he just pre-record it and put the CD in and dance around. That's basically what he's doing anyways. Same goes for sasha. He does nothing but push some faders up and down while Abelton does everything else for him while he dances around.

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Originally posted by SpecRadio That isn't mixing. And you're an idiot for thinking it is. Why doesn't he just pre-record it and put the CD in and dance around. That's basically what he's doing anyways. Same goes for sasha. He does nothing but push some faders up and down while Abelton does everything else for him while he dances around.

And this is the part where i call you an idiot. A trained monkey can beat match to tracks together it takes skill for a dj to program a night in such a way that it builds up energy. It takes talent to add something to a track live and it takes initiative to try new things. If you think that matching beats is enough to consider urself a proper dj then you have all the creative genus of Dj sammys ball sack.

As for sasha, His live mixing using abelton requires that he reads the crowd, he re-edits tracks live among many other things. Anyone with enough practice can learn to beat match it takes no talent to do. Sasha is one of the best djs in the world for a reason; he knows how to get a crowd going and moving. I dont mind djs that dont beat match so long as they add a creative element to the mix. Guess what... Zabiella uses abelton as well right now. His intire set recorded for kiss fm was made im abelton, He is still one of the best djs tecnicaly and has opened up the djing creative process to electronic djs like Grand Wizard Theodore did to hip hop.

Im tired of little punks that beleive that just becouse you can make two records play at the same speed they are doing something creative and that requires talent. Learn to pace the night and read the crowd. Learn to do something creative and differnt and then you can start comparing yourself to djs like halliwell , untill the fuck off.

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Originally posted by _-MIl0 And this is the part where i call you an idiot. A trained monkey can beat match to tracks together it takes skill for a dj to program a night in such a way that it builds up energy. It takes talent to add something to a track live and it takes initiative to try new things. If you think that matching beats is enough to consider urself a proper dj then you have all the creative genus of Dj sammys ball sack. As for sasha, His live mixing using abelton requires that he reads the crowd, he re-edits tracks live among many other things. Anyone with enough practice can learn to beat match it takes no talent to do. Sasha is one of the best djs in the world for a reason; he knows how to get a crowd going and moving. I dont mind djs that dont beat match so long as they add a creative element to the mix. Guess what... Zabiella uses abelton as well right now. His intire set recorded for kiss fm was made im abelton, He is still one of the best djs tecnicaly and has opened up the djing creative process to electronic djs like Grand Wizard Theodore did to hip hop. Im tired of little punks that beleive that just becouse you can make two records play at the same speed they are doing something creative and that requires talent. Learn to pace the night and read the crowd. Learn to do something creative and differnt and then you can start comparing yourself to djs like halliwell , untill the fuck off.

Excellent Post ::thumbsup::

In case you guys haven't heard eddie's judgement euphoria cd, here is a short track of him scratching.



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Originally posted by _-MIl0 And this is the part where i call you an idiot. A trained monkey can beat match to tracks together it takes skill for a dj to program a night in such a way that it builds up energy. It takes talent to add something to a track live and it takes initiative to try new things. If you think that matching beats is enough to consider urself a proper dj then you have all the creative genus of Dj sammys ball sack. As for sasha, His live mixing using abelton requires that he reads the crowd, he re-edits tracks live among many other things. Anyone with enough practice can learn to beat match it takes no talent to do. Sasha is one of the best djs in the world for a reason; he knows how to get a crowd going and moving. I dont mind djs that dont beat match so long as they add a creative element to the mix. Guess what... Zabiella uses abelton as well right now. His intire set recorded for kiss fm was made im abelton, He is still one of the best djs tecnicaly and has opened up the djing creative process to electronic djs like Grand Wizard Theodore did to hip hop. Im tired of little punks that beleive that just becouse you can make two records play at the same speed they are doing something creative and that requires talent. Learn to pace the night and read the crowd. Learn to do something creative and differnt and then you can start comparing yourself to djs like halliwell , untill the fuck off.

You make it sound like beatmatching is like putting butter on toast, and using abelton is like building a skyscraper with no instructions. I don't understand why you don't think the old way of doing things is good enough? Is it because People like Armin Van Buuren, Paul Van Dyk...play all of the new stuff every week and RUIN it for the DJ's who can't get their hands on new material fast enough, so they have to change it around? Hell, halliwell isn't changing shit around. He scratches, and it sounds like garbage. Yeah? So does Michael Conway, so does DJ 2nd Nature, so does my little sister. Suprisingly, all of them sound x10 better than Halliwell.

That sample of him scratching sounded TOTAL FUCKING ASS. No way in hell is that ANY better than listening to the original song. ID on the song though?

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The song he is playing is Valentino Kanzyani - Nueava York' (Intec) The one from the vid.
MP3 sample, not sure but maybe someone else knows?

Checked out the sample mp3 and have to agree, that was not good partly as it was out of time but also highly uncreative. In my opinion Halliwell is better than that sample gives him credit for. Another story bla bla bla...

5 to 10 seconds isn't arse. You do it as often as they do, or as often as I have (20 odd years) and it's not so hard to do. It will come with practice I promise.
You know you are getting good when you can actually drop a mix without headphones and actually have it sound much better than most mediocre DJs.

It's actually good to DJ without headphones on a regular basis as it will teach you a lot.

cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 The song he is playing is Valentino Kanzyani - Nueava York' (Intec) The one from the vid. MP3 sample, not sure but maybe someone else knows? Checked out the sample mp3 and have to agree, that was not good partly as it was out of time but also highly uncreative. In my opinion Halliwell is better than that sample gives him credit for. Another story bla bla bla... 5 to 10 seconds isn't arse. You do it as often as they do, or as often as I have (20 odd years) and it's not so hard to do. It will come with practice I promise. You know you are getting good when you can actually drop a mix without headphones and actually have it sound much better than most mediocre DJs. It's actually good to DJ without headphones on a regular basis as it will teach you a lot. cheers Nem

I don't even understand how you can sync without headphones...even when you drop in the mix, you can't hear it till you EQ it up and pop the volume up to tell if it is syced or not. The only way possible I see is getting lucky or having the cd's at the same tempo then cueing it at a beat.

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Originally posted by Freak Look- Nem does this for a living I myself do this for a living. Its got fuck all to do with luck or getting lucky. Its called knowing your shit. I never ever use headphones when mixing at home (unless Im actually recording it for demo purposes or whatever). I can pitch something while bringing up (or round in my rotary case lol) the fader, with no headphones in a few seconds. So can many others. Ride the pitch, and see how quickly and smoothly you can pitch a record- then try it with no headphones.... you may surprise yourself.

I like to have time on the mixer. I don't want to be fucking with the pitch when doing a 1-2 minute mix. Seriously, if you're going to ride the pitch in a few seconds. You aren't going to get it spot on that much to have that time to be able to stand and the mixer with both hands on it that long. I like to get the beatmatching done, drop it in and have all the time I want on my hands to mix it in very smoothly.

I mean seriously. What do you actually have to do on the decks but sync it and mix it in? Why just stand there for 5-8 minutes while the song plays? . I'd rather be getting the sync spot on.

I mean, I can see it used for turntablism & hip hop mixing as their mixes are short and they may need to scratch a long time. But for trance, you have time on your hands to get it in sync well and I don't see why you wouldn't

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Last edited by SpecRadio on Nov-22-2005 at 03:28

ok i agree with milo but specradio also has a bita point. halliwell isnt bull shit what he does is fine and i also see no problem with using cd's w/ tempo already matched. using shortcuts like this one to concentrate on other aspects in the mix and get extremely creative is great. but i think when you do a whole mix in ableton that is no longer really dj'ing for me. beatmatching is a skill which is part of dj'ing but a big part of using beatmatching is dropping it in and mixing it smoothly, also mixing without and headphones and riding the pitch is an awesome skill and can be used with any style and if you practise enough and know what ure doing you can still fiddle with ure mixer.

but hey, i havent touched my tables in months coz i got no cash for records, lol . so what would i know.


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Originally posted by SpecRadio I like to have time on the mixer. I don't want to be fucking with the pitch when doing a 1-2 minute mix. Seriously, if you're going to ride the pitch in a few seconds. You aren't going to get it spot on that much to have that time to be able to stand and the mixer with both hands on it that long. I like to get the beatmatching done, drop it in and have all the time I want on my hands to mix it in very smoothly. I mean seriously. What do you actually have to do on the decks but sync it and mix it in? Why just stand there for 5-8 minutes while the song plays? . I'd rather be getting the sync spot on. I mean, I can see it used for turntablism & hip hop mixing as their mixes are short and they may need to scratch a long time. But for trance, you have time on your hands to get it in sync well and I don't see why you wouldn't

Allright you tore me away from remixing for another reply to this. Im gonna give you some advice becouse i was also new To this and said some stupid ass things when i first arived on this forum, ask j-dat or most everyone that remembers when i first arived on this forum and they wil tell you i have said some ass hat things. As i grew in experance though and as time went by my views on things have changed. Im sure when i first started i used to feel that just beat matching was enough but once i went out and started playing along side some great djs i learnt a shitload of things amongst them that Your skill at mixing 2 records together dosent matter if you cant program a set properly. When i first started i would clear a fucking dance floor faster then Dj sammy playing to candy kids. i dont claim to be any prodigy at this i needed time to learn that the way that you build a night is the most important thing. This can be learned by anybody just like beatmatching, Heck if you really wanna learn how to build a night look at djs that are playing top 40 songs. They know exactly how to build a night and cutt it into phrases. After i got to the point where i could build a night i realised that wasint going to be enough to go pro with this (and ill admit like many stary eyed newbies that was my objective) so i started looking into Harmonic mixing, then when i had that i looked into scratching, then i envested in samplers , effects units started doing my own productions , mixing more then 2 decks at a time.

I did all these things cuz if your ever gonna get anywhere in this buisness you gotta have something special. Theirs a million djs out their that can beat match 2 tracks together but its the ones that add a creative element to tracks that are the ones that will get noticed.
Hence halliwell since he was one of the first djs to scratch to electronica.

I still feel that the way you build a night is the most important thing , this will be more important then anything out their. You can be the worst tecnical dj out their but if you got good tracks (or at least tracks that are in demand) then you will get gigs hence anni nightengale. She cant mix worth shit but she started the breaks movement and has always been on top of the best tracks in breaks. If your going to complain about big djs like pvd and tiesto playing all the new tracks befor they get to the general public you my as well give up. A dj is the song he plays and if your not spending as much time as possible looking for new tracks out their then youv got no excuse for not making it anywhere. Dig for records, play songs that will make you unique, Theirs about 90% of up and coming djs that copy the tracks that Pvd (or some other similar top 100 dj) played in his last set and its exactly for this reason that they wont get anywhere.

Im sure if you ask nem or freak who im sure have been doing this pro allot longer then i have they will agree with me. Anyways im rambeling now but a couple more things, dont be so obvious when your trying to up your own station , yes we realise that conways on it , you dont have to say that hes better then halliwell which i doubt live he is ( have you heard of bosh?). I havent heard of him so i wouldent really know.

Last thing b4 i finish this fucking essay, yes you can beatmatch a track in without headphones the intire time i played out this saturday i did this using a djm 600 where you can more or less guess visually where the track is coming in with the visualy beat counter then rideing the pitch. I normaly ride the pitch allot as i bring in my tracks quickly to add samples befor mixing in the whole track so im used to this, beleive me when i say it is possible.

Allright my essay is over back to aquasky 4 me.

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Originally posted by _-MIl0 Allright you tore me away from remixing for another reply to this. Im gonna give you some advice becouse i was also new To this and said some stupid ass things when i first arived on this forum, ask j-dat or most everyone that remembers when i first arived on this forum and they wil tell you i have said some ass hat things. As i grew in experance though and as time went by my views on things have changed. Im sure when i first started i used to feel that just beat matching was enough but once i went out and started playing along side some great djs i learnt a shitload of things amongst them that Your skill at mixing 2 records together dosent matter if you cant program a set properly. When i first started i would clear a fucking dance floor faster then Dj sammy playing to candy kids. i dont claim to be any prodigy at this i needed time to learn that the way that you build a night is the most important thing. This can be learned by anybody just like beatmatching, Heck if you really wanna learn how to build a night look at djs that are playing top 40 songs. They know exactly how to build a night and cutt it into phrases. After i got to the point where i could build a night i realised that wasint going to be enough to go pro with this (and ill admit like many stary eyed newbies that was my objective) so i started looking into Harmonic mixing, then when i had that i looked into scratching, then i envested in samplers , effects units started doing my own productions , mixing more then 2 decks at a time. I did all these things cuz if your ever gonna get anywhere in this buisness you gotta have something special. Theirs a million djs out their that can beat match 2 tracks together but its the ones that add a creative element to tracks that are the ones that will get noticed. Hence halliwell since he was one of the first djs to scratch to electronica. I still feel that the way you build a night is the most important thing , this will be more important then anything out their. You can be the worst tecnical dj out their but if you got good tracks (or at least tracks that are in demand) then you will get gigs hence anni nightengale. She cant mix worth shit but she started the breaks movement and has always been on top of the best tracks in breaks. If your going to complain about big djs like pvd and tiesto playing all the new tracks befor they get to the general public you my as well give up. A dj is the song he plays and if your not spending as much time as possible looking for new tracks out their then youv got no excuse for not making it anywhere. Dig for records, play songs that will make you unique, Theirs about 90% of up and coming djs that copy the tracks that Pvd (or some other similar top 100 dj) played in his last set and its exactly for this reason that they wont get anywhere. Im sure if you ask nem or freak who im sure have been doing this pro allot longer then i have they will agree with me. Anyways im rambeling now but a couple more things, dont be so obvious when your trying to up your own station , yes we realise that conways on it , you dont have to say that hes better then halliwell which i doubt live he is ( have you heard of bosh?). I havent heard of him so i wouldent really know. Last thing b4 i finish this fucking essay, yes you can beatmatch a track in without headphones the intire time i played out this saturday i did this using a djm 600 where you can more or less guess visually where the track is coming in with the visualy beat counter then rideing the pitch. I normaly ride the pitch allot as i bring in my tracks quickly to add samples befor mixing in the whole track so im used to this, beleive me when i say it is possible. Allright my essay is over back to aquasky 4 me.

Maybe it's because i've only played at shitty clubs I can get gigs at around here.

It's mostly DNB, House, or Hip Hop here. Non of which, I play.

This is the setup at the club I've played at a few times. There isn't much to do but play straight tracks

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