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Originally posted by StereoPrincess oh, shit. now that is stark raving mad. i can't believe no witnesses are coming out for this. These guys really are running shit.

its kinda of the same reason why this guy got shot. he was with his freind when he got murdered, at the time he should have come forward and told police who was responsible for the murder ( which im sure he knew ) but instead he kept quiet and then guys came back to finsh him off.

look at 50cents new movie.
get rich or die trying.

what a great message for kids living in our cities....just kill, deal drugs, and cheat your way to make money...forget about education and values..

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Originally posted by arek look at 50cents new movie. get rich or die trying. what a great message for kids living in our cities....just kill, deal drugs, and cheat your way to make money...forget about education and values..

and the funniest thing is that its on the bottom 100 list on imdb. number 98 it was i think.
give me 700$ and i ll make a better movie then that.

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Originally posted by Spam They'd be much less likely to be killing eachother if they were... say... in the work force doing something useful. But no, our wonderful education system says that you need to goto school til you're 20+ just to make a living. Teens don't think they're tough because they kill eachother. They kill eachother because school is a dirty place to be. It's boring, and it stores all of your energy up in a frustrating environment. Tempers are going to flare when you have nothing better to do with your time, no, when you're not ALLOWED to DO anything with your time, other than learn about Christopher Columbus and talk to other kids while you sit on your ass for 6 hours.

Umm.. are you on drugs?

Your argument falls apart because then it would mean that people who spent the most time in school would be the ones most likely to shoot people. Yes, shootings happen at universities ALL THE TIME.

I can guarantee you the people who did the shootings haven't been in school in a long long time.

Hmm.. I've been in school for a good 15 years already, and I haven't shot anyone. The people who did the shootings probably flunked out of high school. WHAT A FUCKING COINCIDENCE, EH?

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Originally posted by Spam I don't understand why the world thinks you need to goto school til you're 25. Learn to read and write, learn to add 2+2, then get married and get a job. Anyone can learn any job, jobs are routine for the most part. Let SOMEONE raise the kids, let the other spouse make the money, and let society take care of itself. In a world focused on economic prosperity, we've forgotten that without a strong community fabric, you'll eventually end up with nothing.

And you need to go to school until you're 25 so we don't create a society of ignorant idiots. If anything, I'd make post-secondary mandatory. The number of people in Canada who fail at basic math is astounding.

Knowledge is not a fucking handicap. North America is already significanly dumber than our European counterparts, and you want us to be even more retarded?

And no, not anyone can learn any job. There non blue-collar jobs out there. And quite a bit of them. Yeah, I know, I'm just as shocked by this as you are.

And what is this anarchist worldview that you're imagining here? Since when was society able to take care of itself? We have no community fabric because people are overworked and underpaid with minimal vacation time, not because of school.

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Originally posted by Spam The neat part is that, with the aging demographic of the Western world, which is going to result in a labour shortage (that is, the shortage of available workers) society might just learn this lesson sooner than we think.

There won't be a shortage of jobs because people who went to school will figure out ways of replacing the people who didn't.

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I think some people "fall out" of normal society because of the "new" brain based economy. Once upon a time (post wwII) North America's economy was based on manufacturing- using your hands, feet, manual labor to get work done. Money was made because we actually MADE something in North America. These days, manufacturing as a percent of the GDP is much smaller than it used to be. We now use our minds to do the work. Lets face it, if you want to make it these days, you have to be sharp and on your feet. Not everyone fits into this brain based economy because not everyone has the mental capacity to work as an financial analyst, as a doctor, as a lawyer, etc. Now that we have people that are essentially "excluded" from the working economy (whereas once upon a time they could have made a living in the factory), we have people going out and doing stuff like this.

Also, on a similar subject, it is interesting to note the prevalence of mental illness has doubled since the previous generation. We had a seminar about mental illness/productivity/ and the workplace for my MBA and mental illness seems to be indeed a by-product of this brain based economy, among other things.

my gosh Spam I can see a little about what you're saying but the shooting have nothing to do with education, it's the media, top 40, new age hip hop thats sending the wrong message.

As for education, don't matter if it's bad or good, it's always upto YOU to learn, not up the school to do it for you, and world taking care of itself, chaos pure chaos

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everyone blames hip hop. these problems existed in the states before hip hop. hip hop is not he cause, 50 cent isnt the one causing all the gun violence. its drugs. its money. its the fact our economy depends on the poor just as much as it depends on ppl being wealthy. its the whole infrastructure. I also blame the fact that society makes it soo hard for the poor to rise classes and become middle class or upper class. i blame the top before i blamne the bottom. thee people have fuck all. the only way they can see themselves becoming anything in a short period of time is selling drugs and doign dirt for money.


lets face it the root of the problem is the top of society.


lets take for example hip hop music. why do u guys think hip hop music initiates crime? because each song is selling\ sex selling drugs guns violence etc. ? right? so we all believe this music brainwashes these kids at a young age and glorifies it. well guess what its not the music that is evil. its the damn record companies at the top. sony records BMG record companies like this are the true devils at work. gangster rap is selling well then hey lets filter out the rest of the hip hop music and just sell gangster rap because its selling. so whos the true rooot of the problem here? is it the scene or is it the rich white people at the top who are controlling the scene?



i dunno this may have been incoherent ramblings of mine. I have 0 structure in my argument however if u can slightly understand what im talking abt im sure ull agree with me

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy i dunno this may have been incoherent ramblings of mine. I have 0 structure in my argument however if u can slightly understand what im talking abt im sure ull agree with me

I don't understand shit but I still agree with you.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy lets take for example hip hop music. why do u guys think hip hop music initiates crime? because each song is selling\ sex selling drugs guns violence etc. ? right? so we all believe this music brainwashes these kids at a young age and glorifies it. well guess what its not the music that is evil. its the damn record companies at the top. sony records BMG record companies like this are the true devils at work. gangster rap is selling well then hey lets filter out the rest of the hip hop music and just sell gangster rap because its selling. so whos the true rooot of the problem here? is it the scene or is it the rich white people at the top who are controlling the scene?

It's a two-tier problem: black people are also easier to influence I think.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur It's a two-tier problem: black people are also easier to influence I think.

no the problem lies that most of the black population s in the lower class. and they see no way of getting out, they have no clue how being middle class would feel. this feeds their hunger, they know they basically got no chance. i mean sure society makes it asy for underpriveleged kids to go to school now, however these kids focus is totally on other things other then school. its on surviving trying to feed themselves etc. then thats where i think hip hop feeds on them, glorifying guns and crime in a means to get them out of the bottom out of the slums. they see this as tehir only way out. i doubt they pull the trigger just based on it being cool.

and another thing theres been alot of gang violence for the last year and a half because right now theres a HUGE gang war going on in toronto that the media does not discuss or inform everyone. they try to make it look like everyone is off their rockers but in fact theres a gang war