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Originally posted by emc^2 Adam P22A. 80 W x 2 - May I suggest more earthly M-Audio BX5a??? In an extensive side-by-side comparisson at my friend's stuio, we both arrived at conclusion that soundwise they are virtually identical! Oh, and you'll keep about $1500 extra in your pocket too! Cheers!

ummm, you guys must be in

A) a horrible space
b) using horibble converters
c) or have horrible hearing...


After doing comparisons of pretty much every speaker i could in the best coniditions i could find... The maudio was some of the best speakers i heard in the 200-600 range... The event precision 8s in the 600-1200 range. THe adam audio in the 1200-4000 ranger then for the top speakers ive ever heard giving the flatest response and most accuracey would be the barefoot monitors....


Comparing the maudios to the adams and saying the sound the same is horrible.

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jp-8080 - ah yes... a one-trick (ridden to death) pony. You should be ashamed for even lusting after this. It's like lusting after your friend's having a cell phone. JP lovers - SHUT IT, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW GREAT IT IS. PLEASE, IT'S SO 90'S!

How many times are people going to say this without actually thinking?

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Originally posted by armanivespucci How many times are people going to say this without actually thinking?

Please elaborate, I'm dying to hear something I haven't heard already. Please tell me again, how great JP is and tell me all about it's magnificent SUPERSAW, and please, tell me in great detail about your lusting after this little blue piece of roland wonder.

jeezz... n00bs ffs

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http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=8

How old is trance music again? Actually, wait, how old is EDM?

Hmm.

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Originally posted by fr0st ummm, you guys must be in A) a horrible space b) using horibble converters c) or have horrible hearing... After doing comparisons of pretty much every speaker i could in the best coniditions i could find... The maudio was some of the best speakers i heard in the 200-600 range... The event precision 8s in the 600-1200 range. THe adam audio in the 1200-4000 ranger then for the top speakers ive ever heard giving the flatest response and most accuracey would be the barefoot monitors.... Comparing the maudios to the adams and saying the sound the same is horrible.

Listen, not to take away from Adams, they are great monitors - no questions asked. I am not saying that M-Audio is better or you should buy it. What I am saying is that in side-by-side comparison (and this being completely subjective, based on our analisys) - they sounded pretty damn close.

The test was ran in a studio environment with proper acoustic setup.

The test consisted of:

1. Running white noise at different bands
2. Running pink noise at different bands
3. Testing each major frequency range from 30Hz - 22Khz
4. Actual listening test of various music styles: classical, vocal, jazz, rock, dance, and instrumental
5. Basic spectrometer test
6. Feel test (feeling acoustic energy by placing your hand near the cones)


Yes, the M-Audios did have several dips (if I recall correctly, around 180Hz and 12Khz) but overall, fared very well next to Adams. It wasn't a quick 5 minute listening test. We spent about 3 hours or so. I'll stick by my comments: if you have the means and are looking for professional grade, no compromise sound - ADAM IS YOUR CHOICE. if you are on a budget and need to have sound quality as close to perfection as possible, M-AUDIO is a TERRIFIC CHOICE, especially considering THE PRICE.

Not everyone can shell out close to $4000 for monitors, so, hence my comment.

And as a side question... Dude, I'm just curious - what's up with all the aggression that seems to be just lurking behind the surface? srsly? Lighten up, eh?

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Originally posted by armanivespucci http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=8 How old is trance music again? Actually, wait, how old is EDM? Hmm.

Hey, I got news for you. Your "supersaw" is attainable in just about any synth (well, ok, not every, but most decent ones). To relegate all laurels and glory to JP just because it can do one thing well - is simply silly. Sorry, but my JP8 can create massive "supersaw" that JP8xxx wouldn't even be able to vocode. Ok, you say not the same price point - great, I agree. All I am saying is that JP is not a bad choice but it is... predictable.

If everyone uses same tools, same approach, same sounds - what happens to originality?

Look, I don't care actually what you get - it's your money and your choice, I'm stating my opinion. Last time I checked, it was still alowed in this country.

Get whatever you want, be happy...

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--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

I'm not hailing the JP as the end-all synth. It does the supersaw very well, and the supersaw sound as we know it is probably about 10 years old. And it's not that expensive.

Okay, so why are you so pissed that people like it? It's a bit ridiculous, really.

Originality, my friend, is not necessarily dependent on instrumentation, either. I've been experimenting with very complex music that utilizes a JP supersaw. If you don't like the JP's saw, don't use it, but don't try to force synth choices on others with the iron fist of God and deem all who like the JP80x0 "n00bs."

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Originally posted by armanivespucci I'm not hailing the JP as the end-all synth. It does the supersaw very well, and the supersaw sound as we know it is probably about 10 years old. And it's not that expensive. Okay, so why are you so pissed that people like it? It's a bit ridiculous, really. Originality, my friend, is not necessarily dependent on instrumentation, either. I've been experimenting with very complex music that utilizes a JP supersaw. If you don't like the JP's saw, don't use it, but don't try to force synth choices on others with the iron fist of God and deem all who like the JP80x0 "n00bs."

LOL, lighten up.

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iron fist of God

heeheh... whatever rocks your boat, man.

oh, and p.s. I don't force choices, I offer opinions. If those are not welcome, you are absolutely free to ignore them. See, easy. Not like I came to your house and threatened to beat you senseless for buying this synth, innit?

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Originally posted by emc^2 Listen, not to take away from Adams, they are great monitors - no questions asked. I am not saying that M-Audio is better or you should buy it. What I am saying is that in side-by-side comparison (and this being completely subjective, based on our analisys) - they sounded pretty damn close. The test was ran in a studio environment with proper acoustic setup. The test consisted of: 1. Running white noise at different bands 2. Running pink noise at different bands 3. Testing each major frequency range from 30Hz - 22Khz 4. Actual listening test of various music styles: classical, vocal, jazz, rock, dance, and instrumental 5. Basic spectrometer test 6. Feel test (feeling acoustic energy by placing your hand near the cones) Yes, the M-Audios did have several dips (if I recall correctly, around 180Hz and 12Khz) but overall, fared very well next to Adams. It wasn't a quick 5 minute listening test. We spent about 3 hours or so. I'll stick by my comments: if you have the means and are looking for professional grade, no compromise sound - ADAM IS YOUR CHOICE. if you are on a budget and need to have sound quality as close to perfection as possible, M-AUDIO is a TERRIFIC CHOICE, especially considering THE PRICE. Not everyone can shell out close to $4000 for monitors, so, hence my comment. And as a side question... Dude, I'm just curious - what's up with all the aggression that seems to be just lurking behind the surface? srsly? Lighten up, eh?

I just didn't like the authoritative tone you used. And that sounds like a pretty good test. I demoed them at a friends studio we tossed them up against the adams as i wanted to purchase a new set of speakers under 600 bucks(i ended up with event tr8's). We used lavry blue converters and listened to various pieces of music.. I found that the m-audio had deffinate trouble producing a good even bass response and often just ended up sounding like garbage in the low end and for dance music its very important for a speaker to be organized in the low end(all speakers in the sub 600 do this)... And the sound overall was deffinately not as tight it was very loose...

I ended up with thee tr8's as i had the previous model and was familiar with the crap they put out.. But if i had the cash id def get the precision 8's over the adams or the mackies. As they sound fucking great for the cost... And if i had 4k to drop on monitors id def just save up another 5k and get the barefoots...

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Originally posted by staticblue Just an even better computer would be fine

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Originally posted by fr0st I just didn't like the authoritative tone you used. And that sounds like a pretty good test. I demoed them at a friends studio we tossed them up against the adams as i wanted to purchase a new set of speakers under 600 bucks(i ended up with event tr8's). We used lavry blue converters and listened to various pieces of music.. I found that the m-audio had deffinate trouble producing a good even bass response and often just ended up sounding like garbage in the low end and for dance music its very important for a speaker to be organized in the low end(all speakers in the sub 600 do this)... And the sound overall was deffinately not as tight it was very loose... I ended up with thee tr8's as i had the previous model and was familiar with the crap they put out.. But if i had the cash id def get the precision 8's over the adams or the mackies. As they sound fucking great for the cost... And if i had 4k to drop on monitors id def just save up another 5k and get the barefoots...

I am developing a strong dislike for my Mackies. They overload on every friggin low-end note, unless I set volume very low. Can't even play my JD800 on them - tears them to shit. sounds like I need to either get a sub or get something more responsive on low end. I do regret selling my Genelec 1038A's... shame my room was too small to make them useable

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)