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Ishkur
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver, BC

quote:
Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
I went on google to research TrancePort 1 and Ishkur's site came up. you get a lot of hate mail. I like Oakie and i guess you don't. but as long as you provide an intelligent argument, i cant stop you


+1 FOR THE WIN!

hah.

I did not know that.

Old Post Dec-02-2005 06:55  Canada
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Orko
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

is it just me, or has everybody forgot that Tranceport was released in 1997?

Old Post Dec-02-2005 07:40  India
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Orko
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Tranceport.

Ah yes.....Tranceport.

That was the beginning of the end. It was like the "Super Dance hits 1998" of the scene back then. All the day's trance chart toppers....11 of them, in fact...studio stitched together with as minimal mixing as possible, but with some bloke's face slapped on the cover.

That changed everything. Compilation CDs were around before and after, but what changed everything was that it wasn't just another throwaway title like so many other rave mix discs were....It wasn't just Tranceport. It was OAKENFOLD PRESENTS TRANCEPORT. Just a simple little change of direction in marketing, and it suddenly hooked a new generation of gullible little poptarts, so engorged in the pop world of image, style, and album-oriented marketing....this was something they could sink their teeth in. This was something they could like. This was something they could enjoy. It wasn't another one of them faceless, nameless, bootleg trance CDs that the scene traded. It was legit. It was authoritative. It was OAKENFOLD.

In truth, the CD was actually pretty dismal. Most trance comps had more than a pitiful 11 tracks. 14 was the standard. People should've felt short-changed by this one, where the tracks go on too long, and mixing is non-existant, and there's no cohesion, care, quality, or purpose to any of it. Just a bunch of pop hits.

But man. Witness the power of marketing. Even today, people still look back and see it as the mix of nothing that changed everything. Why? Not because of the music, or the professionalism, or the quality, or the wealth and breadth and depth and power and epic, sweeping scope of the mix. But because of the name attached to it.

Why?

Good question. I guess, when it really comes down to it, people don't want to explore things on their own. They need to be told what to like, first, before they can go forth and enjoy liking it.

Hmmmm.


You just love to get a rise out of people don't you? If so many people are so deeply in love with it, why not just let them enjoy it, without tainting the their love?

You are truly one of those people who cannot let people be them selves, and enjoy what they like.

The amazing thing is, you talk about an album having more tracks, as if it is a good thing. With all your analytical 'skills', you should have realised by now, that most compilations with 2000+ tracks are no good. They just tease you with parts of a song. The magic about Oakefnold compilations is, that he really lets you enjoy a song start to finish.

Quality > quantity, where is that in your analysis?

Old Post Dec-02-2005 07:47  India
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PersianMafia
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Registered: Jul 2004
Location:

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Tranceport.

Ah yes.....Tranceport.

That was the beginning of the end. It was like the "Super Dance hits 1998" of the scene back then. All the day's trance chart toppers....11 of them, in fact...studio stitched together with as minimal mixing as possible, but with some bloke's face slapped on the cover.

That changed everything. Compilation CDs were around before and after, but what changed everything was that it wasn't just another throwaway title like so many other rave mix discs were....It wasn't just Tranceport. It was OAKENFOLD PRESENTS TRANCEPORT. Just a simple little change of direction in marketing, and it suddenly hooked a new generation of gullible little poptarts, so engorged in the pop world of image, style, and album-oriented marketing....this was something they could sink their teeth in. This was something they could like. This was something they could enjoy. It wasn't another one of them faceless, nameless, bootleg trance CDs that the scene traded. It was legit. It was authoritative. It was OAKENFOLD.

In truth, the CD was actually pretty dismal. Most trance comps had more than a pitiful 11 tracks. 14 was the standard. People should've felt short-changed by this one, where the tracks go on too long, and mixing is non-existant, and there's no cohesion, care, quality, or purpose to any of it. Just a bunch of pop hits.

But man. Witness the power of marketing. Even today, people still look back and see it as the mix of nothing that changed everything. Why? Not because of the music, or the professionalism, or the quality, or the wealth and breadth and depth and power and epic, sweeping scope of the mix. But because of the name attached to it.

Why?

Good question. I guess, when it really comes down to it, people don't want to explore things on their own. They need to be told what to like, first, before they can go forth and enjoy liking it.

Hmmmm.


You have no cohesive argument. I can get an idea of what you're trying to say, but you're arguments are mixed and to some extent contradictory. First of all, when writing in such sugar-coated way, try to funnel your argument to one concise point. It seems like your arguments are forced, rather than serious. Now to the topic:

From what I understand, you're complaining that Oakenfold simply did a half-ass job and made a mix of 1998s "already top hits". One paragraph later, you're complaining that Oakenfold's name, branded these "crappy" songs and sold them to the blind and naive public. Thus, forcing us consumers, to listen to crappy songs that Oakenfold found appealing. I'm sure people loved each and everyone of these songs before Oakenfold released this mix CD and I'm more than sure that you're wrong about this CD being the prototype mix for the "superstar" DJ mix. Let's face it, Oakenfold had released mix CDs before this one and countless other trance/house/progressive/psy DJs were releasing mix compilations that were garning raving reviews at the time.

If you feel like expressing your fury against Oakenfold, do it in a decent way. Most of you're post are interesing reads - some of which I agree with - but with regards to Oakenfold, you definately have some skewed arguments. It seems like you have some biased emotion towards him, which is, in a cute way, clouding your thoughts.

Old Post Dec-02-2005 07:54  Canada
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RapidFire
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: toronto

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
is it just me, or has everybody forgot that Tranceport was released in 1997?


http://www.discogs.com/release/3428

Released: Nov 1998

Old Post Dec-02-2005 11:23  Serbia
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Gauss
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Registered: Oct 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Tranceport.

Ah yes.....Tranceport.

That was the beginning of the end. It was like the "Super Dance hits 1998" of the scene back then. All the day's trance chart toppers....11 of them, in fact...studio stitched together with as minimal mixing as possible, but with some bloke's face slapped on the cover.

That changed everything. Compilation CDs were around before and after, but what changed everything was that it wasn't just another throwaway title like so many other rave mix discs were....It wasn't just Tranceport. It was OAKENFOLD PRESENTS TRANCEPORT. Just a simple little change of direction in marketing, and it suddenly hooked a new generation of gullible little poptarts, so engorged in the pop world of image, style, and album-oriented marketing....this was something they could sink their teeth in. This was something they could like. This was something they could enjoy. It wasn't another one of them faceless, nameless, bootleg trance CDs that the scene traded. It was legit. It was authoritative. It was OAKENFOLD.

In truth, the CD was actually pretty dismal. Most trance comps had more than a pitiful 11 tracks. 14 was the standard. People should've felt short-changed by this one, where the tracks go on too long, and mixing is non-existant, and there's no cohesion, care, quality, or purpose to any of it. Just a bunch of pop hits.

But man. Witness the power of marketing. Even today, people still look back and see it as the mix of nothing that changed everything. Why? Not because of the music, or the professionalism, or the quality, or the wealth and breadth and depth and power and epic, sweeping scope of the mix. But because of the name attached to it.

Why?

Good question. I guess, when it really comes down to it, people don't want to explore things on their own. They need to be told what to like, first, before they can go forth and enjoy liking it.

Hmmmm.

For fuck's sake, will you stop being so damn pissy?
If you hate trance so much and if you spit on one of the very best trance compilations in history, what the fuck are you doing here?
There seems to be absolutely no trance that meets your criteria, so please, shut up or get the fuck out.

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Aiwendil
Ever The Same



Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Ever The Same

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Tranceport.

Ah yes.....Tranceport.

That was the beginning of the end. It was like the "Super Dance hits 1998" of the scene back then. All the day's trance chart toppers....11 of them, in fact...studio stitched together with as minimal mixing as possible, but with some bloke's face slapped on the cover.

That changed everything. Compilation CDs were around before and after, but what changed everything was that it wasn't just another throwaway title like so many other rave mix discs were....It wasn't just Tranceport. It was OAKENFOLD PRESENTS TRANCEPORT. Just a simple little change of direction in marketing, and it suddenly hooked a new generation of gullible little poptarts, so engorged in the pop world of image, style, and album-oriented marketing....this was something they could sink their teeth in. This was something they could like. This was something they could enjoy. It wasn't another one of them faceless, nameless, bootleg trance CDs that the scene traded. It was legit. It was authoritative. It was OAKENFOLD.

In truth, the CD was actually pretty dismal. Most trance comps had more than a pitiful 11 tracks. 14 was the standard. People should've felt short-changed by this one, where the tracks go on too long, and mixing is non-existant, and there's no cohesion, care, quality, or purpose to any of it. Just a bunch of pop hits.

But man. Witness the power of marketing. Even today, people still look back and see it as the mix of nothing that changed everything. Why? Not because of the music, or the professionalism, or the quality, or the wealth and breadth and depth and power and epic, sweeping scope of the mix. But because of the name attached to it.

Why?

Good question. I guess, when it really comes down to it, people don't want to explore things on their own. They need to be told what to like, first, before they can go forth and enjoy liking it.

Hmmmm.


....


.......

Poopy head.















Well...everyone's doing it....and if everyone jumped off a cliff...I would too.

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Ishkur
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver, BC

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
You are truly one of those people who cannot let people be them selves, and enjoy what they like.


Why don't you fucking get it?!

I WANT to start partying again. I want to to come back, out of exile. I can't do it to this music. I can't do it to this bloated DJ egocentrism. YOU PEOPLE are NOT helping things.

Why can't YOU let me enjoy what I like? Why did you have to come through the fucking scene and steamroll the values that I enjoyed so much? Why did you take it all away from me?

What kind of sick people are you who enjoy torturing me like this!?

Old Post Dec-02-2005 16:35  Canada
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Mebot
Maverick



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Seattle

Well there's always hip-hop emo rock.

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miamitranceman
Extreme tranceaddict



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Miami

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Why don't you fucking get it?!

I WANT to start partying again. I want to to come back, out of exile. I can't do it to this music. I can't do it to this bloated DJ egocentrism. YOU PEOPLE are NOT helping things.

Why can't YOU let me enjoy what I like? Why did you have to come through the fucking scene and steamroll the values that I enjoyed so much? Why did you take it all away from me?

What kind of sick people are you who enjoy torturing me like this!?



Anyone else find this really sad?


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deknician
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Aug 2003
Location: England

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Why don't you fucking get it?!

I WANT to start partying again. I want to to come back, out of exile. I can't do it to this music. I can't do it to this bloated DJ egocentrism. YOU PEOPLE are NOT helping things.

Why can't YOU let me enjoy what I like? Why did you have to come through the fucking scene and steamroll the values that I enjoyed so much? Why did you take it all away from me?

What kind of sick people are you who enjoy torturing me like this!?


Aaah, your mental instability explains it all...

Old Post Dec-02-2005 17:33  England
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Ishkur
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver, BC

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
Anyone else find this really sad?


Yeah, it's really sad to fight for what you believe in. Convictions are for losers. For now on, everyone should just shut up and open wide.

Old Post Dec-02-2005 20:54  Canada
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