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Originally posted by Shakka While I will concede that it's never easy to foretell what somone else 'wants', I think it's a bit overreaching to say "They never want democracy." How do you know? How about "They've never tasted Democracy." How many countries that have successfully democratized have gone on to revert to a totalitarian dictatorship? Or have devolved back into something else? I think that given the chance, most people would prefer to have a vote on policies that dictate how they live their lives. Particularly in the long-run.

plus uno!

Now, let's look at our ex arch nemesis. RUSSIA. Please, explain to me when Russian had democracy? Anyone? O.K. thought so. Yet, after decades of totalatarian rule and dictatorship. Russia and her republics decided that this is enough. So, they rose up and over threw their tyrants for a taste of a fairy tale to them known as democracy. Yet, it's a hard process for them, however they keep voting in "Democratic" leaders (the latter is complete and utter BULLSHIT seeing as Putin himself always said he isn't a democrat but rather called his regime a "controlled democracy", "free socialism", etc). An idea of freedom is any man's basic instinct. They will always choose to follow that unless they have their secret agenda.

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Originally posted by Purple Pakistan. And point to notice here again is that its a muslim country.

http://www.punjabilok.com/commentary/democracy_musharraf_style.htm

they went from a democratic country to tyranny, alright

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Originally posted by Lepanto they went from a democratic country to tyranny, alright

They were in tyrany during dmocratic system, now they are trying hard to come out of it.

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Originally posted by Purple They were in tyrany during dmocratic system, now they are trying hard to come out of it.

read the article. and wait...didn't you just say that they chose tyranny over democracy? LOL this is a repeat of the other thread ain't it

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Originally posted by Lepanto Now, let's look at our ex arch nemesis. RUSSIA. Please, explain to me when Russian had democracy? Anyone? O.K. thought so. Yet, after decades of totalatarian rule and dictatorship. Russia and her republics decided that this is enough. So, they rose up and over threw their tyrants for a taste of a fairy tale to them known as democracy.

Dude, you just proved Purle's (the thread starters) point right there.

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Originally posted by Lepanto http://www.punjabilok.com/commentar...arraf_style.htm they went from a democratic country to tyranny, alright

In case you're being sarcastic there, let me assure you that democracy has never produced succesful results in Pakistan. I've lived there so I know. And Musharaf came to power because of a military coupe. I seriously doubt he has any intentions to install "real democracy."

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Lepanto.. stop talking out of your ass

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Lepanto.. stop talking out of your ass

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we would have had better luck if microsoft installed a democracy in iraq

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Originally posted by igottaknow we would have had better luck if microsoft installed a democracy in iraq

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Originally posted by Lepanto read the article. and wait...didn't you just say that they chose tyranny over democracy? LOL this is a repeat of the other thread ain't it

Dont post when you are drunk in Pol room, go to COR.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Dude, you just proved Purle's (the thread starters) point right there.

are you stupid? How did i prove his point? The point was that like Shakka said that people who never tasted democracy STILL WANT IT.

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Originally posted by Purple Alice in Wonderland is a drug trip story.

Purple, you shouldn't be talking about being drunk and posting your gobbledegook here or anywhere else on this site, something you've yet to figure out even though a 100 people told you that by now. pol room, first time i heard of it.

So, back on point, oh wise moron. Which country went from a democracy back to tyranny on thier own accord? Pakistan clearly doesn't count, that's wat the ARTICLE WAS THERE FOR! One of the quotes was talking about how we condemn rape, child labor, etc but South Asia we call it Democracy, while it's cleary far from it. So just because pakistan "went back to tyranny" even though if you had an inkling on it's fairs you would know that's not the case, IT DOESN'T COUNT.

I don't remmember which enlighted despot said this during the enlightment period in Europe but he said that every men is born FREE. And this has been proven over and over and over again through out the ages. Which country nowdays loves it's monarchy and has no say in it's government and is definatly fine with it? Iraqis were never happy and always wanted to throw out Sadam. It's a human's ineherit right and sense to become free and gain freedom.


Hence, my rant about Russia. A country that was first driven out by mongols, conflicted with the Polish-Lithuania commonwealth, then tartars, then this then that, then a revolution into something it didn't know, then almost a 1,000 years of existence and never having a free government, not only Russia, the largest country on earth, but all of her republics, moved to accept democracy.

But, i'm sure that's not a good example, 500 million people leaving something more secure though problematic to something they only have heard of but a dream worth dying for.

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Originally posted by Purple They had history of democracy in past, and more important thing is that the people in the country mentioned believed in Democracy.

Yay! At least someone gets it!