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Originally posted by tonybologna ketamine

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Originally posted by tonybologna On a related note, thought some of you might like to check this site out: http://www.ecstasydata.org/ Its amazing all the garbage that is found in this stuff in the states- caffeine, dxm, fentanyl, ketamine, and meth. Maybe Canada stuff is better since much of it is now produced domestically?? In this states, I think much of it is smuggled in from overseas. The red apple in Indianapolis caught my eye though- 309 mg of pure mdma. I saw these at a club here in Montreal in someone's hand. Apparently Canada is now becoming a supplier for the states?? Montreal supplying Indianapolis. Very interesting.

As a correction to your statement, there isn't 309 mg of MDMA in the pill. The pill's total weight is 309 mg, including binders. The ratio of MDMA : 1 simply means it was the only active ingredient found in the pill.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0

lol...i know k has it's detractors out there.

IMHO, it's about as "safe" a drug as you can do (next to pot) and assuming what you have IS in fact k (just as with any other drug you buy). I'd say k is "safer" than e, coke, g, crystal, etc...but that's another thread

back to "boo for the e bust"

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Originally posted by MarkT lol...i know k has it's detractors out there. IMHO, it's about as "safe" a drug as you can do (next to pot) and assuming what you have IS in fact k (just as with any other drug you buy). I'd say k is "safer" than e, coke, g, crystal, etc...but that's another thread

If vacuoles in brain tissue are safe, and you love losing your long-term memory, language skills, and learning skills, then sign me up!

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Several of these deficits are also detailed in John Lilly's autobiographical report of ketamine use. He experiences increasingly greater memory deficits throughout his ketamine experimentation and also begins to act in inappropriate and even dangerous ways (Lilly 1988).

That's why I fucking hate the fuck out of it. ARLHGGHG)*SHR(*UWHFU(H

{edit} Oh yeah, it's also been reported that ketamine use triggers NMDA receptors in the brain which in turn trigger schizophrenia in otherwise perfectly healthy people.

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may god bless all the asians. /QUOTE]

thanks...god bless you too

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker 4L MeOH containing 0.620 kg (20 mol) Methylamine 0.600 kg (10 mol) Glacial Acetic Acid 1.6 kg MDP2P 0.100 kg 10% Pt/C Produces about 1.755 kg of MDMA (1,755,000 mg). At 100 mg / tablet that is 17,550 tablets. Assuming we can use straight ratios (2812.5:1): 11250L MeOH containing 1743.75 kg (34875 mol) Methylamine 1687.5 kg (28125 mol) Glacial Acetic Acid 4500 kg of MDP2P 281.25 kg of 10% Pt/C Would produce 4935.9375 kg of MDMA (4,935,937,500 mg). At 100 mg / tablet that would be 49,359,375 tablets.

What did you have in your basement again?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Let's see if if my audio html tag works....

aw shit can't they go work on some other crimes instead

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur DON'T WORRY GUYS! There's a lot more where that came from.

...oh your basement...

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i really love how it says the results can be often deadly. well when thousands of people in a club are popping pills and no one dies wouldn't that be enough to make it a false statement?

someone should give these guys a pill to try and see if they still think the same way.

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Originally posted by electro funk i really love how it says the results can be often deadly. well when thousands of people in a club are popping pills and no one dies wouldn't that be enough to make it a false statement? someone should give these guys a pill to try and see if they still think the same way.

Here are some stats:
There were eight ecstasy-related deaths in Toronto between January 1, 1999 and December 31, 2001.
In the period January 1, 1999 through December 31, 2002, 24 ecstasy-related deaths occurred in
Ontario

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http://www.toronto.ca/health/rgdu/p...oronto_2004.pdf

Here we have to make an assumption about how many pills are consumed per year in Toronto. Lets just guess 10,000 per weekend *52 weeks per year = 520,000 pills. 8 deaths over 3 years = 2.5 deaths per year. 2.5 deaths/520,000 pills = a mortality rate of 4.8 per million pills consumed. You'll get a similar stat for the 4 year period of Ontario, assuming slightly larger consumption.
My estimate of 10,000 pills per week might be too high, I dunno. You have to consider the fact the drug is also used quite a bit outside the normal clubs (in small social settings) so I think its about right.

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