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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
Well, just because you believe yourself to be too emotionally or mentally impotent to change the world for the better doesn't mean that the everybody else should just give up, too!!!

I've only just begun, my friend - and I'm not going to give up until I'm either dead or have helped make my mark in reversing the wickedly archetypical paradigms that continue to pervade humanity as a whole - something which I honestly don't see happening in my lifetime.

And while I won't claim to have majorly changed anything so far as the eye can see, I do know for a fact that what I am doing is having a positive and (hopefully) somewhat lasting effect. I know this simply because more and more people are beginning to wake up to the imminent dangers which we're facing by continuing to delude ourselves in our denial of reality. Many people have already told me that I've opened their eyes, and that's all the vindication that I need.

And while I have never claimed to be overly pious by subscribing to any single religion, I do possess enough spiritual and intellectual curiosity to seek enlightenment by studying the works and deeds of both luminaries and humanitarians throughout all of recorded history.

As Mother Theresa was once noted as saying,


... and that is exactly what I'm doing.

It only takes one spark to create a fire. The fire which was set upon my mind through someone else will hopefully one day spread to the collective consciousness of our world.



I would say if anyone were doing anything less, get off this rock!


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donnybrasco
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LOL@Trancer and his "links to credible sources".

Trancer; Where on EARTH do you get the time to let your head explode?

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metalgearsolid
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Hey TX I was kinda curious about that bacteria the government released in NYC and over SF. Do you know what would be the consequences of whatever chemicals they released? Like has anybody died or what?

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MERiDiAN5i2
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Re: Tired of Being Lied to? Modern History You Can't Afford to Ignore

well put.

it's the power of the few that change the world for the better.

and it's the sniveling self-complacent my-life-is-all-that-matters types that fester so many problems.

stand up for good, or be trampled by evil men.

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Trancer-X
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Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Hey TX I was kinda curious about that bacteria the government released in NYC and over SF. Do you know what would be the consequences of whatever chemicals they released? Like has anybody died or what?


I wish I knew more, but it's hard to find anything on it.

http://www.democracynow.org/article...5/07/13/1357237

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/01/20694.html

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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte



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Re: Re: Tired of Being Lied to? Modern History You Can't Afford to Ignore

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
well put.

it's the power of the few that change the world for the better.

and it's the sniveling self-complacent my-life-is-all-that-matters types that fester so many problems.

stand up for good, or be trampled by evil men.


Just like to add; if you are not running your own life, someone else will!


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...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Trancer-X
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Just like to add; if you are not running your own life, someone else will!


I know what you were saying and I'm not trying to divert or misconstrue your statement, but you also have to put that into perspective. How would you classify "running your own life?" Does that mean that a person has to be generating taxable income, or would you accept an intellectual, spiritual or humanitarian contribution?

We the people may have the ability to vote for our elected representatives, but we have no say whatsoever about how our tax dollars are put to work. I know that I don't want my money to be going towards killing other people, especially if any of them are innocent civilians as we've seen it to be the case all too frequently during times of war.

Also, my country was created under the premise that it was to serve the people's best interests, not the other way around with the people serving the politician's best interests.

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Fir3start3r
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quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
I know what you were saying and I'm not trying to divert or misconstrue your statement, but you also have to put that into perspective. How would you classify "running your own life?" Does that mean that a person has to be generating taxable income, or would you accept an intellectual, spiritual or humanitarian contribution?

We the people may have the ability to vote for our elected representatives, but we have no say whatsoever about how our tax dollars are put to work. I know that I don't want my money to be going towards killing other people, especially if any of them are innocent civilians as we've seen it to be the case all too frequently during times of war.

Also, my country was created under the premise that it was to serve the people's best interests, not the other way around with the people serving the politician's best interests.


By 'someone else' controlling your life, I mean government and the entrapment of poverty dole-outs.
Take control of your financial situation, or someone else will...

Voting is absolutely one way of directing government.
The other is to become a person of influence like a business owner for example.
And you exactly right, the government is supposed to be serving the people.
What we are experiencing here in Canada is the exact opposite of that, which is why on Monday, the current Liberal Party (rife with corruption and scandal) will be voted out of office in our general election...


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"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Trancer-X
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Constitutional dictatorships: What happens to democracies in emergencies

"Those republics which in time of danger cannot resort to a dictatorship will generally be ruined when grave occasions occur," wrote Machiavelli in his greatest work, "The Discourses." This quote opens the 1948 treatise "Constitutional Dictatorship: Crisis Government in the Modern Democracies," by Clinton Rossiter. In commenting upon the quote, Rossiter points out these are not the thoughts of the out-of-work philosopher "who dashed off "The Prince" in a vain attempt to wheedle a job out of Lorenzo de Medici." Rather, there are the reflections of a mature and noted scholar who had labored for years upon his work.

Rossiter looked at the phenomenon of constitutional dictatorships in the aftermath of World War II, for he was concerned that "more rather than fewer periods of crisis" lay ahead. In "Constitutional Dictatorship," he examines the experiences of crisis governments ranging from the ancient constitutional state of Rome to four modern states (Germany, France, Great Britain, and the United States), focusing on four major crises in the United States: the Civil War, the two World Wars, and the Great Depression.

Professor Albert Sturm, a student of Rossiter's work, has also written of constitutional dictatorships. In a 1949 essay "Emergencies and the Presidency" in the "Journal of Politics," for example, Sturm found that these "temporary concentrations of power in an executive" for meeting emergencies, which have been "employed by vigorous democracies since ancient times," are necessary for "the preservation of the established system in the face of temporary crisis." Typically, such authority lasts only as long as the crisis, Sturm notes, and it is sanctioned by the "existing constitutional system."

Constitutional dictatorship: Could it happen here?

Of course, the very concept of a "dictatorship" is offensive and inimical to our political thinking as citizens of a democracy. And Rossiter acknowledges that no American government has ever been a true constitutional dictatorship, as that concept is understood by students of government. Rather, he uses the term, in the American context, as "convenient hyperbole" -- an exaggeration meant to underscore how many, and how extensive, have been the powers American presidents have necessarily arrogated to themselves in wartime.

Nevertheless, Rossiter, and other students of constitutional dictatorships, do not rule out the idea that one could ever exist in America. Indeed, they raised questions in the aftermath of World War II that are still relevant today as we find ourselves in an undeclared war, and the first stages of emergency government.

Recall that FDR took the nation from a "limited" national emergency on September 8, 1939, to an "unlimited" emergency by May 27, 1941, and then to total war by December 7, 1941. Anyone who does not believe the war on terrorism will escalate, as well, is in denial.

Rossiter does not address the question of whether Americans could tolerate the undemocratic ways of a constitutional dictatorship. Instead, he is interested in the question of whether we could survive the alternative. He asks, that is, if we could "afford not to resort to undemocratic methods when such methods are essential to the preservation of the state?" To raise the question suggests the answer.
Terrorism could indeed result in a constitutional dictatorship

"Constitutional dictatorship is a dangerous thing," Rossiter advises. Such governments are the result of necessity, of the sheer imperative of survival. The greatest danger with such a form of government, and its related institutions and laws, is that they can remain after the crisis has abated.


We are fighting a war against terrorism, with no end in sight. It is a war, I believe, that will inevitably escalate. Indeed, it is a war that could force the nation to live under martial law -- for indefinite periods.

These are not decisions that should be made by the President and Congress each time the crisis escalates; rather, we should think about them carefully in advance in order to make prudent decisions later.

One need only look at the haste and thoughtlessness with which we have adopted the potentially dangerous USA Patriot Act, most of which Republicans and Democrats alike had earlier rejected, to understand why legislating in the aftershock of terrorism should be avoided if possible.

Our present emergency laws and regulations are a hodgepodge, a patchwork quilt. They respond to precedents from past great crises, and that is wise, but unfortunately these precedents do not contemplate a protracted war on terrorism, or an enemy unlike any we have ever confronted.

Congress has the power to determine whether it wants the American equivalent of a constitutional dictator in the White House. The only way to be certain that we don't make that decision during a crisis, is to revise and codify our emergency laws now -- before fear and anger in the aftermath of a possible attack might cause us to make bad decisions, and too easily trade liberty for security in numerous areas.

As I write this column, President Bush has announced that he will address the nation about his plans for restructuring the government for fighting the war on terrorism. None of Professor Rossiter's observations about our history is more chilling than his finding that each national crisis has left the nation a little less democratic than before. With the president's announcement, it is not too soon to consider whether, in fighting terrorism, we really want a constitutional dictator to lead us. I certainly don't, nor do I know anyone who does, but if a future attack comes, and is devastating, the pressure to resort to constitutional dictatorship may be irresistible.

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metalgearsolid
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Oh shit I am going to shit in my pants now; thanks TX you made me shit in my pants.

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Trancer-X
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Oh shit I am going to shit in my pants now; thanks TX you made me shit in my pants.


Grow up! I know that you're not ten years old, so please stop acting like you are.

And if you don't have anything at least remotely intelligent to add, don't add it.

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metalgearsolid
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quote:
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Grow up. I know you're not ten years old so please stop acting like you are.

And if you don't have anything at least remotely intelligent to add, don't add it.

What? I just like how you post a lot of bullshit. TX you must realise something. The world is chaotic we have just forgotten this with foods at marketplaces and the internet and electricity.

I am just saying there will be no dictatorship in the US because the rich won't let it happen even if Bush was to be the "dictator".

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