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Originally posted by Clovis86 I was thinking of pulling up tracklists and actually counting each track some of the trance jocks vs. prog jocks play to see who really has more diverse t/l's...but then I remembered I was lazy and that it would take alot of effort...but you wanna do it anyway? I'll help lol And Michael, haha...well its about fuckin time lol

I'm digging my own grave here... but...

Tijs has played 362 recognised tracks in the last 12 months...

230 of those were played no more than on 5 occassions.
The remaining 130 odd average 20 plays... or about 6-8 weeks of coverage.



and in 137 live performances in 2005:
The Loves We Lost (57)
Adagio For Strings (54)
La Noche (46)
Traffic (44)
Just Be (41)
are the stand-alone signature tunes he 'happened' to play.
So thats an awful lot of toilet/drinks breaks to anyone with any audible sense



As Jason said - its a shame he can't drop the signature tunes after a few months and just move on. But as i tried to point out a few posts above, the crowd reaction & demand of the new territories he is playing are making that a thankless task.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! So thats an awful lot of toilet/drinks breaks to anyone with any audible sense

i don't get that

I think the reason most cats make fun of Tiesto now is because compared to yesterday he is utter shit...that also goes for trance today.

In my opinion the whole superstar big DJ thing is getting boring and the DJs realize that as long as they are popular they can play shitty sets....because the kiddies will still think they are Gods...thats why i dont bother with them anymore...apart from Sander every DJ i dig now is a virtual nobody.

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Originally posted by slinkyhead i don't get that

Well when you have heard Traffic over 50 times in a liveset and are a little bored of being in the scramble to the front when it gets played - I think you'd also like to get out of the rabble for 5 minutes for some relief/refreshment

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I'm digging my own grave here... but... Tijs has played 362 recognised tracks in the last 12 months... 230 of those were played no more than on 5 occassions. and in 137 live performances in 2005: The Loves We Lost (57) Adagio For Strings (54) La Noche (46) Traffic (44) Just Be (41) are the stand-alone signature tunes he 'happened' to play. So thats an awful lot of toilet/drinks breaks to anyone with any audible sense As Jason said - its a shame he can't drop the signature tunes after a few months and just move on. But as i tried to point out a few posts above, the crowd reaction & demand of the new territories he is playing are making that a thankless task.

Interesting info, thanks. Regarding the bold, I think this just reflects poorly on his DJ skill. To me, if a DJ has to rely on known ch00ns and hits to get the crowd going, hes pretty fucking lazy. Sasha has been doing this with some trentemoller and tiefschwarz and it gets anoying. There are LOADS of fucking good music out there, you just have to find it, its up to the DJ to find new tunes that will destroy the dancefloor, not recycle the same crap over and over, no matter how good. Or play em out, and then stop for awhile, and ressurect them much later...

I dunno, I think there is much too much music available, that is really good, to just be playing the same shit all the time. Its just plain lazyness, or self whoring. I mean, if he cant mix well, cant pick good tunes, cant find exciting new music, what does he do thats worth anything these days?

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I agree with that I think its a scene-wide trend/problem in the trance genre at present to actually feel the need to promote themselves everywhere they go. Tijs only seems to change that attitude when returning to Netherlands for gigs... cos he knows the crowd there just simply won't tolerate hearing the Just Be Album again. He's been burning the candle at both ends - cos on tour he can't not play those tunes, otherwise the crowd just react badly. I didn't think it was possible, but in Budapest, where he was dropping some nice new (to my ears) Proggy stuff like Petersky & Booka Shade.. the 10'000 capacity arena was stationary... milling around and yawning. 10 minutes later Love Comes Again was dropped and you couldn't breathe for flailing arms and leaping lunatics. When he gets that kind of reaction from his signature tunes, what choice does he have but to keep them lingering in the box the longest While i'd agree the progressive DJs change their tunes on a faster rotation, that could also be something to do with the state of the scene as a whole... I mean - i'd rather hear the same good tracks for 6 months, than have him play the same tunes as the majority of ETN DJs.

yeah i agree. but then again, his music is targeted to an audience that is different than progressive dj's. once again as a rule, i'd say the majority of trance fans, and in this case tiesto fans, are younger in terms of EDM experience. like you said, the netherland crowd isn't going to take some shit set...because they've been around the block and know what's up. but i think that tiesto has choosen the road he has by producing and playing the type of music that he does. not everyone can name all the songs that tiesto plays like the hardcore tracklisters here and on tiesto.com...most have a very vague idea of EDM and their appreciation of it, so of course they only want to here love comes again...that's all they know.

progressive dj's on the other hand, have always played sets which i think appeal more to people that appreciate EDM and have for some time. unless you can appreciate them people think they are boring and monotonous. i think that's even evident in the members of TA for the most part. because of that, i think it gives them that freedom you are talking about to play more tunes...because like the netherland tiesto fans, they know what's up and don't want the same thing all the time.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 Well someone told me the other day that Armin rotates his choons just as fast as Sasha and I was like WHAT?

the problem is he has Aftermath rotated into his bin about 6 months too late

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I think the reason most cats make fun of Tiesto now is because compared to yesterday he is utter shit...that also goes for trance today. In my opinion the whole superstar big DJ thing is getting boring and the DJs realize that as long as they are popular they can play shitty sets....because the kiddies will still think they are Gods...thats why i dont bother with them anymore...apart from Sander every DJ i dig now is a virtual nobody.

I'd agree with that too. Of the 6 hours liveset in December i like the proggy first hour and the final 30 minutes where he played Preach tunes. The rest was ASOT filler.

The whole "worshipping" of the big names in trance is a complete joke.
Take one guy in the UK for example, he makes 4-5 flags to thrust in Tiesto's face every gig he goes to. The look on Tijs's face was damn priceless when he spotted the gimp in the crowd at Gods.

I find it pretty funny that 2-3 years ago you were banned from the tiesto forums for having a negative attitude, nowadays, its pretty hard to find a Tiesto veteran who isn't moaning on the current sorry state of affairs.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Well when you have heard Traffic over 50 times in a liveset and are a little bored of being in the scramble to the front when it gets played - I think you'd also like to get out of the rabble for 5 minutes for some relief/refreshment

gotcha, and a set with traffic played 50 times in it would be a little boring

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I'd agree with that too. Of the 6 hours liveset in December i like the proggy first hour and the final 30 minutes where he played Preach tunes. The rest was ASOT filler.

see and the thing with those sections is he totally just playing what has been popular for the sasha's and the digweed's or the techno dj's...armin does the same thing on ASOT. he plays Eric Prydz - Aftermath or Booka Shade - Mandarin Girl...and all the ASOT kids are like "ooo cool tune"...but those tunes have already been doing the rounds for half a year in other dj's boxes...they were just popular so they decide to play them after the fact.

they've both been doing it more and more lately...i think eventually they are going to make the switch to be honest...they see how it's taken off...and i'm sure they want apart of it. it's things like that which make me really say pfffffft to armin and tiesto...they are almost like bandwagon dj's...they just play music to promote themselves or because it's popular...

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I find it pretty funny that 2-3 years ago you were banned from the tiesto forums for having a negative attitude, nowadays, its pretty hard to find a Tiesto veteran who isn't moaning on the current sorry state of affairs.

Dude why go to a Tiesto show and hear his crappy productions (post 2002) or, like you said, ASOT fillers all night and maybe some wannabe prog house tune or cheesy ass tech tune when i can go see a DJ like Demi, Stephane K, Lance Jordan and at times Sander and like every single tune from begining to end.

Not too mention i can not deal with those 45 minute break downs anymore.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!