WHy is this such a big fucking debate to noobs I dont get it....trance music and nother genres stemmed out of house music, acid house started teh actual edm scene in the late 80's out of Manchester .....it was called ACID HOUSE for a reason, any other genre which stemmed somewhat out of this era of music/rave cultture will always be associated with drugs...just accept it and stfu already. Yes trance, and edm comes from an era of drug use, and till this day still remains somewhat in that category.

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Originally posted by I <3 NY WHy is this such a big fucking debate to noobs I dont get it....trance music and nother genres stemmed out of house music, acid house started teh actual edm scene in the late 80's out of Manchester .....it was called ACID HOUSE for a reason, any other genre which stemmed somewhat out of this era of music/rave cultture will always be associated with drugs...just accept it and stfu already. Yes trance, and edm comes from an era of drug use, and till this day still remains somewhat in that category.

It may have originated from a drug culture; but it doesn't have to be associated with it. For example: the current Pope was in the Hitler youth...we don't call him a nazi.

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Originally posted by Demoted The current pope doesn't walk around doing a heil salute and pimping a swastika either, yet for some reason trippy trance tracks are made and people pop e at most raves and twack out. Also, many of the producers make the tracks for drug usage still. Check out James Holden (though he might not really be trance).

How do you know when a track is considered for drug usage? Like said earlier in this thread, the utlimate goal is to reach that "state of mind"; and there are ways to do that without drugs. I think its an artificial dependency that's causing people to think they need to 'pop e'.

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Originally posted by Demoted So you're telling me it's complete and utter coincidence that music played from 120bpm - 140bpm with repatitive melodies, breaks, and the like sounds nearly perfect when on certain drugs. That it wasn't designed when people were on drugs and decided to shape the music around it. Someone is sounding naive.

"Sounds nearly perfect" those are the key words. Okay, for you it sounds perfect when you do drugs for others it might not. Poppin E to trance is a bad fad...thats it.

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Originally posted by Trance Addix Poppin E to trance is a bad fad...thats it.

uh... yeah

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Originally posted by Axolotyl uh... yeah

Believe what you may, I have stated my OPINION...

It's strictly a to each their own kind of thing when it comes to drugs at dance music events. Everyone enjoys themselves in their own way right?

Nothings more annoying and sad than someone endlessly bugging you to take a pill when you don't really want one. It's really a personal desicion and no one should be pressured like it's a grade school thing.

Same goes vise versa with people acting like drug officers.

I think we can all agree on the above

Often I notice I'm less connected to the music when I'm on pills. I rather go talking nonsense to random people and before I know it the nights over lol.

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Originally posted by Truepioneer It's strictly a to each their own kind of thing when it comes to drugs at dance music events. Everyone enjoys themselves in their own way right? Nothings more annoying and sad than someone endlessly bugging you to take a pill when you don't really want one. It's really a personal desicion and no one should be pressured like it's a grade school thing. Same goes vise versa with people acting like drug officers. I think we can all agree on the above Often I notice I'm less connected to the music when I'm on pills. I rather go talking nonsense to random people and before I know it the nights over lol.

Yes, you have stated the truth--to each their own.

Its funny how the simple-minded peeps who usually start a debate or attack on drugs usually don't reply in the thread anymore other than their simple unground starting statement. And it is these people time after time who seem most unknowledgeable about drugs.


I've said this in several similar threads before, if you don't know what you are talking about don't talk about it...and certainly don't start categorising people in a negative way.

Its like virgins talking about sex.

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Originally posted by Trance Addix How do you know when a track is considered for drug usage? Like said earlier in this thread, the utlimate goal is to reach that "state of mind"; and there are ways to do that without drugs. I think its an artificial dependency that's causing people to think they need to 'pop e'.

@Trance Addix, we don't call trance listeners drug-addicts now either do we? <- At your post comparing the Pope and the Nazi youth versus trance and drug use. Besides, I could even proceed to say that opinion may be quite offensive to some. Comparing drug-users to Nazi youth?? I think we can all agree the Nazism/extremism in such form is very negative...and so are drug users?! I don't think I've ever had to personally attack somebody on TA yet but I think that this is a very very narrow-minded naive form of thinking.

Fair enough to have an opinion, but try to back it up with some senseful correct information. Also...you mention people NEEDING to pop E...ehm...what makes you think people NEED it. Ok some might not be able to enjoy themselves without anymore, or don't enjoy EDM in the first place without E...but thats quite wrong I think, and shows dependency on the drug. But do I call people who drink alcohol alcoholics? Do you NEED to drink alcohol when you go out? (even though most people do)

At all those who want to make an opinion about drug use and judge users, read some replies in the following threads:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=321816

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=316054

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Originally posted by Synthesia Its funny how the simple-minded peeps who usually start a debate or attack on drugs usually don't reply in the thread anymore other than their simple unground starting statement. And it is these people time after time who seem most unknowledgeable about drugs. I've said this in several similar threads before, if you don't know what you are talking about don't talk about it...and certainly don't start categorising people in a negative way. Its like virgins talking about sex. @Trance Addix, we don't call trance listeners drug-addicts now either do we? <- At your post comparing the Pope and the Nazi youth versus trance and drug use. Besides, I could even proceed to say that opinion may be quite offensive to some. Comparing drug-users to Nazi youth?? I think we can all agree the Nazism/extremism in such form is very negative...and so are drug users?! I don't think I've ever had to personally attack somebody on TA yet but I think that this is a very very narrow-minded naive form of thinking. Fair enough to have an opinion, but try to back it up with some senseful correct information. Also...you mention people NEEDING to pop E...ehm...what makes you think people NEED it. Ok some might not be able to enjoy themselves without anymore, or don't enjoy EDM in the first place without E...but thats quite wrong I think, and shows dependency on the drug. But do I call people who drink alcohol alcoholics? Do you NEED to drink alcohol when you go out? (even though most people do) At all those who want to make an opinion about drug use and judge users, read some replies in the following threads: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=321816 http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=316054

You completely blew what I said out of proportion and context. I was simply trying to establish an association that is similar not terms of content; but the actual relationship. Why would I compare nazism to drug-users?

You compare the connection bewteen drug users and trance with the connection of the Pope with the Hitler Youth.

One of these is comparing evil with good (Nazism vs. the Pope), whereas the other is comparing good with neutral (trance vs. drug users).

But I understand this was not your intention, at least I hope its not

May I still suggest you have a read through the replies to some ungrounded opinions by other users in those other 2 thread Not for the sake of saying one is right the other is wrong, but perhaps some of the thoughts mentioned there may bring some insight to some people about drug users and usage. And it saves me having to repeat myself over and over

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Originally posted by Synthesia You compare the connection bewteen drug users and trance with the connection of the Pope with the Hitler Youth. One of these is comparing evil with good (Nazism vs. the Pope), whereas the other is comparing good with neutral (trance vs. drug users). But I understand this was not your intention, at least I hope its not May I still suggest you have a read through the replies to some ungrounded opinions by other users in those other 2 thread Not for the sake of saying one is right the other is wrong, but perhaps some of the thoughts mentioned there may bring some insight to some people about drug users and usage. And it saves me having to repeat myself over and over

Well, I believe we have misunderstandings between eachother..I shall cut this arguement to maintain some civility between us. Have a good day!