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Originally posted by miamitrance04
Deep down what really gets in the way for people to believe in intelligent design is their own ego. If intelligent design were somehow to be proven this would imply several consequences that most people would want to avoid. for example trying to understand who this "creator" is and why he created us? and why we are here/purpose.

actually, rather than bothering to try and understand this "creator" and why i was created, i prefer to just enjoy life. to think that I myself and no one else is responsible for my life, for my actions, and their consequences as opposed to writing things off on fate or some other divine creature. even if god exists, and he/she/it may or may not, i still wouldn't believe he/she/it plays an active role in our lives. that creature would be an observer.

and as our purpose goes, if not pleasure or anything else, is to serve this divine creature...? well, one of them.

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Originally posted by astroboy
Philosophically a view of a divine creator is in fact the easier option to accept. It instantly (especially if backed by scripture of some form) provides a purpse to life that is beyond question, provides a concrete system of morality and the unique ability to decide what is right and what is wrong without any advertance to personal responsibility.
A far more difficult position for man, philosophically speaking, is to find himself alone, without a God or scripture by which to judge his actions. In a state of existential abandoment man can not follow a written guideline knowing that it is right path. Instead he has to consider the consequences of every action and choice he makes and decide for himself what the correct path is. If the religious right accepted that evolution is right and that scripture should notbe interpreted literally, they'd be forced to reckon with the freedom that God gave them, and have to finally take responsibility for their actions (a scary prospect for any fundamentalist). They could no longer point to the bible and say "this justifies all my actions".

ah, ok. exactly what i was saying. "fate" is just a weak person's scape goat.

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whiskers
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Conversely what i think really gets in the way of people accepting evolution is a narrow-minded approach to scripture which leads them to the belief that evolution somehow cuts God out of the process, together with a stubborn faith based purely on a set of a priori assumptions that have been drummed into them from childhood by their parents and community, and entirely devoid of any rational basis.

Einstein spent most of his latter years trying to work out an universal theory that combined Newtonian physics and relativity. This is just an example to make a point that a unified theory is much better than small separate theory parts.

People believe in intelligent design "because it says so in the bible" and they completely dismiss evolution. The most dramatic view of this that creationists don't want to accept is that evolution does not lead to atheism nor does it prove non-existence of a divine creature.

Creationist knee-jerking arguments against evolution and the Big Bang rely on no data whatsoever, except what is said in the Bible. Steven Hawking in his Brief History of Time states in the first paragraph, that Big Bang Theory does NOT rule out god and that for all we know, god is the answer to the physicists' mysterious question of why the Big Bang happened.

What creationists fail to see is the other side of the coin, they fail to consider all possible arguments and outcomes. They can never even suppose that the Bible may be deceiving them and that creating Earth in 7 days, the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, make far better literature than billions of years of gas slowly condensing into cellestial bodies. If it took god 7 days to create Earth, how long does the Bible say it took him to create the rest of the universe?

The point is that evolution is true, whether God exists or not. It may or may not be God's tool, but in no way does it challenge the existence of God, which seems to be the biggest problem creationists throw fits about. Evolution did not kill God, in fact, evolution and God work together very well if you're willing to accept that.

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