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Originally posted by toffy I dont agree with that argument. Why trance has to be like it was in his roots? I like the mixtures of styles. It trance would still be the same as 10 years ago we all be bothered of it.

It does not have to stick to its roots, that would be against one of the key principles of electronic music: experimentalism, trying new things.

Problem is, many people didn't like the way it evolved, mainly because it went to a "please the masses" direction. It ended up getting a bad name and people moved over to something else, either because they liked it more or because they just didn't want to be uncool.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J In 2001 there was a big backlash against anthemic trance. Progressive came in in a big way, which equally upset and delighted clubbers. I think that that brief movement left everyone confused, and this new wave of soft-synth McProg stuff emerged from the pieces.

Hmm i am wondering who helped to the emerge of anything has the prefix PROGRESSIVE .....That shows a lot about the source of the back then industry....

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't mean this at all antagonistically, but is English your first language?

Eh..no, but my post was an answer to Rebel9 post.

Sorry if sometimes you just dont understand what i wrote, i tried to fix the previous post.

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Originally posted by toffy I dont agree with that argument. Why trance has to be like it was in its roots? I like the mixtures of styles. If trance would still be the same as 10 years ago we all be bothered of it.

U want to know y? Because Then the definition of trance is going to change is going to get out of the bounds.Today we have this revolution.Tomorrow it will be some other worse than that who knows.And then in the end of the day we end up with trance which has only bass kick and rock melodies with soft synths and nothing travelling u around..and then maybe the melodies leave too trance and the bass -kick formula is what to be the trend..My point? If its not sticked to the roots (as basis ONLY BASIS) then the only thing that remains is the industry labelism of the genre the small profits and a small sample of what trance started,suppposed,targeted to be

if we didnt criticize music then the Britney Spears and 50 Cents of this world would be running the mainstream....oh wait.

I kind of agree with what Arksun had to say. An example here.

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Originally posted by Purple Hey lol you sucker. Garbage Trance. Your mixes suck bigtime, please give us a break. Go die. Or kindly get into Pop music. Amateur DJs with zero skills like you are killing Trance. And if you anyone likes you at all, than check this thread out: One month and zero replies. What you will do, pull this thread up. GT the P2P/internet DJ. Amateur wannabe DJs like you are killing Trance, go die.

I've never met this person in my life, why the need to wish death upon me.

We can still choose to listen to whatever we like, for those that like cheese, let them hear cheese, but make it 7-layers please.

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Last edited by djGT on Feb-06-2006 at 05:36

I want to weigh in, like I do with many of these threads about criticisms and people complaining about the music. People have different tastes, however, we need to be respectful of others. Just because something is beautiful and uplifting, doesn't mean it's crap or should be labeled as cheese. Just because something is dark and fast, doesn't mean it can't be appreciated and enjoyed equally. My biggest argument on here is that trance means different things to different people, but it has a common root. There's different sounds in trance, with the sub genres, just like other styles such as Drum N' Bass. I'm tired of people labeling melodic prog "McProg" as the thread on here talks about. Whats wrong with melodies? I mean people can choose to not listen to melodic music, and enjoy the gritter, more underground sounds, but why, if something is melodic, does it have be labeled "cheese" or "McProg" or whatever you want to call it? There seems to be those on here who really like this music for it's melodies, those that really like it for it's beat, and then others who enjoy both.

Edit: I'm not into everything they play on ASOT, I don't listen to it. I don't listen to Armin. I just find certain tracks I like, that I feel aren't so "typical" but are still good productions that have some melody and a good beat. If someone thinks Micro de Govia's productions, like his latest "Vital Spark" is "Cheesey" or "McTrance" then that's comparing it to real cheese, like Groove Coverage, there's no similarities. It is certaintly not low quality garbage...doesn't sound like it was produced in 10 minutes. Doesn't have typical trance riffs either. I stay away from those now...

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I'm with toffy, Arksun had a great post.

TA is, quite often, an unsupportive forum where people get shut down in an instant.

If you really adore trance and think people need to be 'shown the way' to better music than what they've indicated they like, don't be so fucking rude and personal in your posts. It might actually help your cause (if you had one, and if you didn't have one, why'd you waste your time posting a spiteful and shitty post? For kicks? On a faceless forum? Oh c'mon, surely you've better things to do with your life)

I for one only joined up to TA for education, to help find producers and dj's whose style really connected with my tastes. It has helped alot, but there really is too much negative and unhelpful crap to sort through. Some are unwilling to persist, and people need to persist with the interest when they're straight to find what they really love and get a lasting appreciation of trance (long after the drugs don't work their magic anymore)

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Originally posted by queen_vee I'm with toffy, Arksun had a great post. TA is, quite often, an unsupportive forum where people get shut down in an instant. If you really adore trance and think people need to be 'shown the way' to better music than what they've indicated they like, don't be so fucking rude and personal in your posts. It might actually help your cause (if you had one, and if you didn't have one, why'd you waste your time posting a spiteful and shitty post? For kicks? On a faceless forum? Oh c'mon, surely you've better things to do with your life) I for one only joined up to TA for education, to help find producers and dj's whose style really connected with my tastes. It has helped alot, but there really is too much negative and unhelpful crap to sort through. Some are unwilling to persist, and people need to persist with the interest when they're straight to find what they really love and get a lasting appreciation of trance (long after the drugs don't work their magic anymore)

just because we're not all happy happy joy joy doesn't mean we don't appreciate music. The attitude shown by in this case lolo is way lower than you'd expect for someone whos career rests on people buying his music. Many of us do & have for a long long time & I have to admit, seeing attitudes like this on ta only makes me not want to buy their stuff. Check out the posts from John 00 Fleming here, DuMonde, SHOKK, Terry Bones, and personally having spoken to lange, thrillseekers, pulser & above & beyond in webchats. those people know how to conduct themselves & do so with the same pride l-vee & others have, but accepting criticism as subjective & not taking it personally. People will never improve if they only hear good things, they'll carry on doing the same thing. Arksun may have some points, but the post isn't as godly as some are saying, and I note they are the newer users, who never saw ta in it's good days, when this didn't happen at all.

And to cap it off, yesterday a user was suspended for making a death threat against me in a thread just because the person he/she likes (ta users) opinions have been different to mine. now THAT'S pathetic.

Off Topic OMG Rebel9 has Elin Grindemyr as his sig, LEGEND! \O/

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Originally posted by djGT I kind of agree with what Arksun had to say. An example here. I've never met this person in my life, why the need to wish death upon me. We can still choose to listen to whatever we like, for those that like cheese, let them hear cheese, but make it 7-layers please.

Just ignore that guy, he doesn't have much of a clue & I noticed the posts myself too. Now those are uncalled for, but as i said before, properly written comments are not.