I agree that some of this stuff is really boring, but there's enough good tracks out there in this so-called catagory to keep me interested.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 So Rodas would you consider a track such as Micro de Govia's latest Vital Spark "Mctrance"? I mean yes it has a breakdown, but I find it quite different from something with a big trance riff (which I can't stand as much anymore). It doesn't sound like it has low production values, doesn't sound "cheap". So would u consider anything with a breakdown now "McTrance"? . The breakdown isn't overly theatrical, over the top, it's there, but not taking over the track, but still quite beautiful.

To the contrary, I think.

Without taking the "all mighty" Ishkur's example of dance music, lets try to move pass the narrow.

Now, on Micro. Let's talk about Micro's "Epic Monolith ". The track got fairly high praise when it first came out. If I remember correctly, many people that followed the genre thought Micro had a very distinct sound that wasn't heard in the genre. It was different and it was almost a sound of what could've been a very promising direction. Then came his remix, and another, then an album. All with the same sound and formula that made Epic Monolith the track that it was. Now, it's not so much. Get it?

Take James Holden for another example. When "Nothing" gathered so much recognition for it's sound as did Epic Monilth, you didn't get another remix, and another remix, and another track, all following the formula that made "Nothing" a sucess. He completely changed his sound. Even though I'm not really a fan of alot of the stuff he's put out, you still gotta admire the change in direction.

I guess I could say that what alot of people are trying to say is that with 90% of producers in the genre these days, the formula sticks, and sticks, and sticks, and sticks, until it's cemented in. They (the producers / djs) don't try to branch out from that formula, because as easy as it may sound, doing so is really hard (he-he). So when they do try to branch out and change things around, there's not enough time and thought put into it, and it becomes to late. Then back full circle to what works / worked for them in the first place. Thus the cycle continues.

With all that said, I'm sure it's all more complex than that =p.

Rodas

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Originally posted by Rodas Really? I've been reading these boards for a while and don't remember that term being brought up until GDJB became popular. Please post a reference if you can, I'd love to read. Rodas

ill have a look around its in a dj mag or something like that from years ago...for some reason it stuck in my brain

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why are you guys making such a big deal about one tiny word? "mcprog" some people seem to be offended by everything

some call it progressive, others call it mcprog, others call it american progressive, others call it cheddar, does it matter?

we're not going nuts over people calling dutch trance "mctrance", are we?

get a grip

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Originally posted by DJ_Massive why are you guys making such a big deal about one tiny word? "mcprog" some people seem to be offended by everything some call it progressive, others call it mcprog, others call it american progressive, others call it cheddar, does it matter? we're not going nuts over people calling dutch trance "mctrance", are we? get a grip

cause mcprog is NOT progressive. thats why it matters.

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Originally posted by DJ_Massive why are you guys making such a big deal about one tiny word? "mcprog" some people seem to be offended by everything some call it progressive, others call it mcprog, others call it american progressive, others call it cheddar, does it matter? we're not going nuts over people calling dutch trance "mctrance", are we? get a grip

Ya, c'mon guys, good music and shitty music are both one in the same. Ashley Simpson is definently comparable to all good and creative bands, it shouldn't matter....

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Originally posted by 303 cause mcprog is NOT progressive. thats why it matters.

yeah but you can keep telling them, they won't listen anyway!

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Ya, c'mon guys, good music and shitty music are both one in the same. Ashley Simpson is definently comparable to all good and creative bands, it shouldn't matter....

wtf.. i think you just missed his point completely

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I've kinda given up on calling it "American Progressive", because although the sound originated in the US, it's definitely no longer limited there. In fact, ever since Armin jumped on the McProg bandwagon in 2003 (read: year of Gabriel & Dresden) it ceased to be an exclusively American style. Lost Language and Andy Moor soon hopped on, giving McProg European roots.

Conflict of the name with actual progressive artists from America is also problematic to "American Progressive".

So I nominate a different, and less regional, title for McProg: "Regressive Trance". The main problem with that name is that regressive means "to return to a previous state". McProg isn't realy returning to any previous state; it's just watering down what has come before.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 wtf.. i think you just missed his point completely

I think sarcasm was used to prove the point.

No one would consider comparing Ashleigh Simpson to U2/Led Zep/Tool/ 'name what you consider the most creative and talented band ever here', yet people seem to think it's OK to compare uncreative and formulaic prog trance tracks with an original or truly special progressive track.

It's just not right!

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Originally posted by Sinus McProg doesn't resemble progressive house in the slightest bit.. it's just slow, boring trance with a lot of twinkly sounds. Some more examples of mcprog producers: Probspot, Benz & MD, Andy Moor.

Benz & MD? That they have been played by Schulz doesn't mean automatically that's mcprog. IMO it's closer to prog house than mcprog, proghousey basslines and drums etc. They have their own style, far from those others you mentioned