added mp3 support and a few minor upgrades shouldn't cost Pio users a new deck with Denon for example their dn-s5000 mp3 playback was added through software upgrade
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Originally posted by Tenshi it's the accuracy of the pitch, the less the better...on a cdj200 or 1000 you can for example pitch 0.0, 0.02, 0.04,...on a cdj800 0.0, 0.05, 0.10,...

And on a turntable its infinate

how long before we see decent price drops on the mk1's?

anyone?

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That's B.S.

You can get two tracks beatmatched a lot easier on a pair of CDJ's at .02% pitch accuracy then you can on Technics.

Sorry, but it's true. Sure a potentiometer has potentially "inifnite" accuracy, but there are about 30 other things that contribute to the accuracy of the deck.

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Originally posted by harriz And on a turntable its infinate

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Originally posted by wizniz how long before we see decent price drops on the mk1's? anyone?

+1

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 That's B.S. You can get two tracks beatmatched a lot easier on a pair of CDJ's at .02% pitch accuracy then you can on Technics. Sorry, but it's true. Sure a potentiometer has potentially "inifnite" accuracy, but there are about 30 other things that contribute to the accuracy of the deck.

It all comes down to personal preference.
I personally tend to make mistakes on cd decks that's why I use FS2.


With cd decks based on a 136 BPM goal pitch and worst case scenarios (desired pitch exactly halfway between 2 pitch incriments):

a 0.1% resolution as is on most cheap CD players will drift by .03626 Beats/Second, or a bit more than a 32nd note every second.

a .05% pitch resolution like on the sl-dz1200, cdj800, and wider ranges of other cdj1000 will drift by aproximately half that, .01813 beats/second, or a 32nd about every 2 seconds.

a .02$ pitch resolution as is on the narrow pitch ranges of the cdj200 and cdj1000mk2 and maybe a couple others will cause a 32nd note drift about every 5 seconds, or .007252 beats/second.

With turntables you are not dealing with this at all because you have infinite settings.
However the problem with turntables is pitch variation.
Moving platter causes the deck to fluctuate a bit.
On good turntables this is minimal.
So while the tempo of the track is shifting from say...126.4 to 126.6 and back every second
due to quartz lock technology this is (almost) the same on both decks so the result is seamless.
Thats why technics have been the prefered method of djing for 30 years.
Due to their accuracy.

Good turntable mixing:

A very technical techno dj such as Chris Liebing, (the best dj in the world)
who is sponsored by stanton, will get the tracks as close as he can using the pitch.
It's all about the motherfuckin' fingers
To digitally express his accuracy you would need a 0.001 step incriment.
Then he would make up for any variation using the spindle.

Good cd mixing:

Exeptionally good breakbeat dj James Zabiela, who is sponsored by pioneer,
will get the two tracks as close as the machine that he is using alows him to
and then use the jog to get it exacly 100 % right.
Since he is not dealing with any variation he has total control over the speed of the tracks and will keep the tracks in synch perfectly because he is a robot.

hawt

pitch accuracy is for noobs

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i honestly dont find the 02 pitch accuracy that helpful if im playing live, but it definetely helps when recording sets.

i mean you have to beatmatch quick when live and dont wanna play around with ever .02 and instead u put it on .05 and move the jog wheel a bit and thats all. but for recording i want the music to be beatmatched as long as possible and as well as possible and thats better with .02 accuracy.

the only reason im looking forward to buy the cdj800 is because of the jog wheel feel (which is identical to cdj1000). at least i know how to handle a cdj1000 if i play at a club

p.s. from what i know the jog wheel feel and sensitivity is completely different between the cdj800 and the cdj200. correct me if im wrong

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Originally posted by stefanoc i honestly dont find the 02 pitch accuracy that helpful if im playing live, but it definetely helps when recording sets. i mean you have to beatmatch quick when live and dont wanna play around with ever .02 and instead u put it on .05 and move the jog wheel a bit and thats all. but for recording i want the music to be beatmatched as long as possible and as well as possible and thats better with .02 accuracy.

Yeah but why the hell would you do that if the machine allows 0.02?
Why would less incriments be better for you when mixing live?
Whatever floats your boat...

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Originally posted by DJFreaq hawt pitch accuracy is for noobs

So is pitch control.
What's the fuckin deal?

I still don't get why people bother with this ''mixing'' shit

I see your sarcasm detector is broken.