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Originally posted by sikrav i dont think anyone has actually clearly defined cheese??!! or have they? For starters i wouldnt call dj alligator cheese whilst you may . Would you call dj alligator- blow my whistle cheesier than dj sammy? Maybe you call a dj cheese once he becomes mainstream?? maybe the level of success = cheese . Whichever way you put it cheese means nothing and is subjective.

Cheese to me = whimsical and childlike. Think, the child like melodies and vocals in Aqua's "Barbie Girl". That is how I define cheese. Recently, there was a group called Crazy Frog that was similar.

I dont mind overplayed tunes, but I cant stand cheese.

A lot of electronic music is filled with cheese, I still have this newb song in my head... called 1,2,3,4 bass. With some dude singing that over a 4/4 kick, and it was not only cheesy, but it was also boring because there was little or no catchy synthwork to speak of.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's a crock of absolute shit, to be honest. Cheesy music is simply corny: for whatever reason, it is music you are unable to take seriously. It might be because it's taking itself too seriously, or it might simply be because it has pitched-up chipmunk vocals. Cheese can be outstandingly innovative, incredibly high quality or simply stupid bollocks. Anyone who tries to define cheesey beyond that simply doesn't know the meaning of the word. You can have a cheesy smile, a cheesy advert... anything can be cheesy. It's simply something that cannot be taken as serious or straight-faced, whether or not it is aiming for that impression. The Prodigy's "Out of Space" is probably the best cheesy dance track there is. It's 14 years old and still played out to fuck. It's a total classic, and loved throughout dance music circles. It's loved throughout any circles. I still hear it being blasted out of trendy clothes shop speakers. However, with its Jamaican vocals, comedy "boing" sounds and a sped up Ultramagnetic MC, it is undeniably cheese. You still dig it's "let's fucking 'ave it" high-energy vibes, but you don't take it seriously. At the other end of the scale there is Rank 1's "Airwave", such a horrifically overblown piece of schmaltz that only a small child can possibly take it seriously. It goes so far into trying to be serious that it breaks- you stop believing in whatever emotional message it's trying to pipe you. Somewhere in between, there is the rest of cheese. DJ Alligator Project's Whistle Song is a classic example of bad cheese because it is built entirely out of stupid, immature, daft ingredients. However, the straight-faced lyrics and stern Germanic commands, it contradicts itself. It's also sold to 12 year old kids who go to youth clubs, who take it desperately seriously because they don't know any better. Contrasting that is 2 Unlimited's "Get Ready For This", a classic example of good cheese. It's got a killer hook and the rhythmic balance is awesome, yet it's clearly poppy euro-trash and doesn't try and hide it. It's all in good fun. That's the difference between good and bad cheese. Good cheese knows its stupid and is there to unplug your head to. Bad cheese wants to be something else, but its creator is so fucking incompetent that they can't deliver their message.

This is probably the BEST post on cheese I've read.

Great point on DJ Alligator vs. 2 Unlimited.

Many pop artists in the electronic scene take themselves VERY seriously, both in the underground and commercial artists. As an example, Ian Van Dahl often comes across to me as dry and adult contemporary dance music, which has a distinct emotional vibe as the old Depeche Mode in the Violator days. But I also know that Ian Van Dahl is influenced by the old 80's sound somewhat.

This is why I stop listening to synthpop/trancepop for a couple of days and switch to full on psytrance periodically, because I need to escape that dead pan serious tone.


Oh, and if you want examples of cheese from me. Most Hilary Duff and some Ashleee Simpson/Lindsey Lohan songs more than fit the bill. I heard a trance remix of Hilary Duff's wake up, and while the music was decent, her voice is SO out of place in trance music it isn't even funny. It was like someone put cat guts in chicken soup and called it a meal.

I did however, love the Above and Beyond remix of Britney Spears, "Everytime", because her voice in that is good.

Generally speaking, classic eurodance (94-96)didn't take itself too seriously, and it did THAT well. Modern eurodance (01-present) takes itself TOO seriously, and like classic synthpop, it does that WELL. Modern eurodance that doesn't take itself seriously, fails miserably... like DJ Alligator, Crazy Frog... etc. Aqua is a dead sound, I wish people would quit trying to sound as cheesy as Barbie Girl.

The exception so far is Cascada who just released an album in the states... which does NOT take itself seriously AND seems to have the pumped up energy of the old 2 Unlimited. But Cascada is the NEW trend in euro, and eurodance has shifted in vibe and style again. Even I recognize the shift after listening to the album. Cascada does NOT have the same vibe as 01-04 euro like Ian Van Dahl/DJ Encore/Milk Inc/Novaspace/etc. I expect that since Every Time We Touch has become a hit in the states, that euro will change a bit. DHT was too serious for the most part, Cascada is the opposite.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's a crock of absolute shit, to be honest. Cheesy music is simply corny: for whatever reason, it is music you are unable to take seriously.

Is that not what I just said, you fucking idiot? You're agreeing with me dummy.

Jesus man, check your reading comprehension. Seriously now.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The Prodigy's "Out of Space" is probably the best cheesy dance track there is.

I never said cheese was bad music. Cheese is quite good if it's well-aware of its cheesiness.

The worst cheese doesn't know this: It actually thinks it is honest, serious, and heartfelt. It is lying to you, but more importantly, it is lying to itself.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Mostly I agree, but you say that when you 'develop' your music taste, you tend to hate cheese more.

No, you don't hate it more.......you just become better at identifying what it is.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Is that not what I just said, you fucking idiot? You're agreeing with me dummy. Jesus man, check your reading comprehension. Seriously now.

"Now, cheese is defined as music that is fake, canned, and forced. It is trying to be something it's not. It is pretending it is deep and sophisticated, emotional stuff, but in truth it is shallow trite, just going through the motions, playing out the same simple, tired cliches. In short, cheese music is poseur music. It lies to you. It tries to appeal to your emotions, tug your heartstrings, and get you to feel a certain way toward it. But you feel nothing at all. Why?"

How the fuck does that agree with what I say? How is Out of Space trying to be something it is not? How is it pretending to be deep or emotional? How is it fake, or forced? How is it tugging my heartstrings? When I clearly said "You still dig it's "let's fucking 'ave it" high-energy vibes", how does it make me feel nothing at all?

Stop talking such utter shit, and then trying to twist your own words into something that fits everything. Because what you posted says that cheesy music is fake, clichéd and trying to be something it is not. That does not agree with my post, and if you think it does then you've done a piss-poor job of conveying what you mean.

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Originally posted by Ishkur to wit: The longer people are exposed to certain styles of music, the closer together their interpretations of its cheesy epithets get. In other words, never ask a newb what is cheese. They don't have the wealth of experience to identify it yet, so every newb will identify it differently, which is where the confusion lies. Everything just sounds so novel to them, they like almost everything. They haven't developed a discriminating eye for what is good or bad or cheesy music yet. But after a few years, people's tastes tend to align, and the common identification of cheese, pop, and downright awful music becomes readily apparent.

I think I'm going to have to agree with this. Because it's true.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J How the fuck does that agree with what I say?

You said it was corny and beyond believability.

How does something become corny? WHEN NO ONE FUCKING TAKES IT SERIOUSLY.

My god you're thick. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

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Originally posted by Ishkur My god you're thick. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

not to take sides or anything but was it not you that said "I argue because I can"?

System-J is winning this argument at the moment, Ishkur.

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Originally posted by Ishkur You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Oh boy...

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Come on System-J Ishkur was saying the samthing as you but he correcting you on some level that you two entered

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