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smoking won't affect the clubbing buisness in the mid to long term... trust me Louis.

People will bitch at it and stay home at beginning, but things will return to normal and maybe even better.

There's no less people in clubs in Toronto, and they banned cigarettes a long time ago.

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Originally posted by malek smoking won't affect the clubbing buisness in the mid to long term... trust me Louis. People will bitch at it and stay home at beginning, but things will return to normal and maybe even better. There's no less people in clubs in Toronto, and they banned cigarettes a long time ago.

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Originally posted by malek smoking won't affect the clubbing buisness in the mid to long term... trust me Louis. People will bitch at it and stay home at beginning, but things will return to normal and maybe even better. There's no less people in clubs in Toronto, and they banned cigarettes a long time ago.

Toronto has smoking areas/rooms tho, do they not?

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Originally posted by FunKenLouis but Aria is not the sole entity responsible for the state of techno in a given COUNTRY....

Of course it's not, did I suggest that it was?

I think one of the reasons why the techno scene in TO has remained steady is because

a/ the same people who enjoy big headliners at big clubs will also go check out smaller names at smaller venues

b/ the smaller venues bring in a variety of different names, not just the same liebing, picotto, barbara, richie...

c/ when there is a lull, the techno scene has not converted over to electro house or whatever. it's still here, it's just in hiding, waiting for something new, waiting for the next event...or they have just taken it upon themselves to throw their own events. sure there are people here who complain but don't take it upon themselves to do anything, but I find generally, although the scene here is very small, we tend to pull together and make things happen when they need to. I have no idea whether this same mentality exists in Mtl, or whether the techno nights at aria were supported by people who just wanted to party and who liked the music but who didn't really know each other.

sorry if this doesn't make any sense, I'm hopped up on painkillers from the dentist.

The reason Aria is singled out in this case is because since the fall of Sona they have been the only club to regularly book techno headliners in this city. Some other promoters like Martin have thrown some quality events for sure, and I am grateful for that, but I don’t think it’s fair to compare the two directly for this type of discussion.

The comment I made of Aria being more of a venue than a promoter of the music is because that’s how I see it. It’s true it’s not their ‘job’ to build up the techno scene, but I still think it’s fair to say they seem to have pretty much abandoned their contribution to it, residents or headliners.

Toronto has an advantage for sure in the sense that there are several different promoters willing to book techno on any given basis, so even if it is not so regularly, it allows for more options… big parties and smaller ones.

Sarah – I’m not planning to leave Montreal *because* the techno scene here is stagnant, just like I didn’t move to Montreal for the techno scene. It’s a bonus for sure, but I wouldn’t uproot my life like that for a few headliners every now and then. I make my decisions based on what I feel is best for my life experiences.

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Even if we look in the rave scene, there is not much rave with big techno headliner in Montreal, instead of RM and 1-2 others organizations. I think that Techno fans change into Electro fans.....

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There are a number of reasons why Techno music is dropping in Montreal.
- Techno Headliner, you need to make sure that they will bring people inside your club.
- Cost of the DJ’s. It’s very difficult for a club to pay such a high amount.
- Time frame, Club has to closed at 3am (if they sell alcohol) and after hours can sell alcohol so that is one less revenue.
- In Montreal there is a lot a big party’s few times a year (bal en blanc, black and blue, etc…)
- Clubs in the States are opened from 9 pm to 5-6 am. They sell alcohol until 3 sometimes even later. With 3 sometimes even 4 rooms to accomodate everyone.
- It's the same thing with all kind of DJ right now. Look at the top of the DJ list, they are so ahead of the rest. Most of us on TA spend a lot of time on forums, DJ website etc... We know a lot more then the average "clubber" And right now they dont really care who gets booked.
I believe that with new laws, and some well-organized night, I don’t see any reasons why Montreal shouldn’t be the turn table of music between North America and Europe like it always was. There is great talent.
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Originally posted by Kate Manus I make my decisions based on what I feel is best for my life experiences.

Of course - but from our conversations, I've gathered your desired life experiences involve techno and the music scene, or did I miss something?

The truth is there are very little opportunities in Montreal, or anywhere else in Canada, for someone to make a good living from DJing, music production or event promotion, and if that is your goal, it is understandable why other areas would be more appealing.

However, I think you have to then appreciate that everyone (including aria) has to look out for #1 - and if the market isn't there for them to justify the same sort of bookings as they once had, then it's time for them to move on...just like many artists in the city have moved on to make their living elsewhere.

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Originally posted by DK Man - Clubs in the States are opened from 9 pm to 5-6 am. They sell alcohol until 3 sometimes even later.

Many of the US clubs are not permitted to operate after 3am. Thank Bush's rave act for that.

This was bound to happen one day or another. There is nothing that Aria or its promoters can do to help revive the true techno scene when people's musical tastes and habbits change.

This is the EDM scene and its ever-evolving progression of users finding the sound that they like.

It all started a few years ago when people were listening to MC Mario, Ian Van Dahl and DJ Sammy at Dome (circa 1998). Slowly, people evolved into listening to trance music. They started hearing names like DJ Tiesto, Paul Oakenfold and Paul van Dyk. I believe the year 1999 through 2002 was all about trance music. We now refer to this era as "cheese trance" when in fact is was the key to bringing EDM to Montreal.

Three years ago, people did not know the difference between house, trance, minimal techno, electro and the shit they play on Mix 96 late at nights: they just refered to the whole ordeal as "techno". Of course, certain of these people became more educated about the EDM scene, but the majority of them stuck with Tiesto. Come to think of it, pretty much all of them followed Tiesto... or rather the drugs associated with the music, unfortunately. People on these forums, however, discovered other forms of electronic music, most notably progressive house (seems to be highly popular lately). For a time being, I left the trance scene and followed drum and bass for a good 2 years till I came back to EDM.

See, no one likes "repetitive loops" or "songs without vocals", hence why true techno (minimal) will always life a short life in a city where hip hop garbage overpowers EDM. Everyone's got to hear the guy they see on television rap about drugs, women, sex, guns and violence... because obviously these people cannot understand the beauty of a vocal-less track that has been engineered from the ground-up to sound pleasing to the ear... a track that has been designed to play with your mind's imagination. No, they must hear 50 Cent's latest track that talks about the same shit over and over again, with stolen/remixed beats from a song that was popular ten years ago, in a club filled with alcohol to enjoy a night (an afterhours' weakpoint it seems). People have no imagination when it comes to listening to electronic music... they must have their vocals.

I'm a huge minimal techno fan, but when you live in a city that has no unique sense of style (like most European cities have) then you're stuck with whatever's popular. Popularity breeds popularity, and Aria cannot do a thing about it. Remember, they're a business too and must follow the trend to stay in business. If they must bring Tiesto more often than Richie Hawtin to stay alive, there's nothing we can do about it.

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ok, hearing the controversy about how techno is replaced by dangerous music, e.g. easy listening trance effluvia and hip hop dorkage (c'mon, playas, nobody actually believes that your super-coolness gets you laid or that you're actually thug life. it's like the dumb posturing your little brother does when he gets teased about how he smells like socks), and hearing the argument that there's plently of clubs downtown that people go to for shallow, weird reasons (e.g. girls on e are easy prey for ugly dudes, dudes on e are easy prey for ugly dudes), there's one solution: cognitive reframing.

imagine a city full of peeps that are ravenous for edm of one flavor or another. your crowd is certain, even if it can sometimes be minimal and sometimes for the wrong reasons. given this freedom, you can begin experimenting with your offerings. the SAT does this very well, so does strange festivals such as MUTEK and the MEG. think: combine live bands and electronic music at aria. get performance art and deep house at stereo. do dinner and dancing at wherever. use your imagination. this town has the capacity, now add the xxxtra special lovin' flava, homie. then (i promise) you'll see a more diverse, weird, larger crowd come out to see electro, anything, because there's an extra dose of ingenuity and love in the mix.

anyway: new news: stereognosis (actual word!): the ability to identify something by touch. in this town's specific example: i can feel the funk.

paix. (i also didn't read the second page because i'm shallow and worthless. PLAY SOME BENASSI, DJ!)

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