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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 i have to say, I dont agree with the cutting below 40hz, of course it depends on the sounds and samples your using, but a track with every thing below 40hz rolled off isnt gonna sound too great in my opinion.

That's what I was sorta thinking!

Where's that rumble going to be in the speakers in the club? The good bass-bins can put out a LOT of bass, and don't you want to take advantage of the fact that those speakers have the power to output those low frequencies?

Thoughts?

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What he is saying is correct. But too extreme.

you deffo want a low end roll off.

I'd say roll off between 10-20hz

THEN using parametric eq, cut the problem areas out. Which of course depends entirely on the sound of the bassdrum and the bassline.

global warming is deffo correct about maing room in your mix though, you need headroom for the subs to recover.

as some other dude mentioned, make your bassline in parts too.

have maybe an offbeat sub bass with nothing above 150hz playing, just playing short notes every 3rd measure.

then have a mid bass in some cool groove cut below the 150-200 hz area.

delay can add drive/groove too.

then just run a spectrum analyser over your basslines and see where they occupy and then cut those area's in the kick, and let more fo the frequencies not occupied by the basslines breath a bit more.

its summet you just gotta practice till it sounds good. and i by no mean am an expert.

just experiment!

I do only very little on the low end. highpass around 30hz preferably in most cases. And I edit my bass' and kicks as little as possible with some eq. Very close to none. Adding some nice compression over the kick, and sometimes the bassline too and the bottom is rolling.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

The reason for cutting the 0-40hz is because:
1. it doesnt exactly cut until 40hz... alwayse less
2. the sound systems dont play these frequancies you can only feel them.
3. if the master you do is good you will have plenty of bass!!
4. stop bitchin as long as it sounds good, its good!

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I'm impressed btw that this tread pulled out of a tailspin, into something valuable for others.

Now, another tip, is make sure you have accurate monitoring before getting too involved with the low end, as with smaller speakers or certainly non-linear ones you are likely to overcook your bass, this sucks out total level available in your mix and will actually make it flat and lifeless. There is such a thing as too much bass..

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Originally posted by Diginerd I'm impressed btw that this tread pulled out of a tailspin, into something valuable for others. Now, another tip, is make sure you have accurate monitoring before getting too involved with the low end, as with smaller speakers or certainly non-linear ones you are likely to overcook your bass, this sucks out total level available in your mix and will actually make it flat and lifeless. There is such a thing as too much bass..

I have the opposite problem. As with many TAs I went "budget" with my reference monitors and bought some Alesis M1MK2s.

If anything. I under-cook my low end. I constanty have to referr to my cans and then back to my alesis and find the "mid ground."

Alesis Speakers = too bass heavy
Sony 7505s - lack of bass

It's a hard balance! I'm looking to get some dough for some better monitors and basically use my Alesis M1Mk2s as just good pumping speakers.

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Originally posted by BOOsTER it's possible you mean the famous rolling the bassline K---K---K---K XxxxXxxxXxxxX K = Kick X = higher octave bassline x = lower octave bassline let's say your bass note is C you'll use C1 as xxx note and C2 as the "X" note. Hope you got it now I'm not sure what you mean though, maybe a sample could help @DJFreaq: no prob, peace mate

no.
not this. I m aware of the rolling basslines
there is no kick ..only pads so i dont need that "X" sound juss the feel of bass.
thanks any ways

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Originally posted by globalwarming and about the "pad bass", just take a bass sound and cut all the frequancies until you have only his midrange (0-400hz more or less) this way you get: 1. the bassline 2. this "pad bassline" and they dont f*ck with each other.. hope this would help!

ya.. I think this is it.

How do i go about in Reason?

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Originally posted by DJFreaq I have the opposite problem. As with many TAs I went "budget" with my reference monitors and bought some Alesis M1MK2s. If anything. I under-cook my low end. I constanty have to referr to my cans and then back to my alesis and find the "mid ground." Alesis Speakers = too bass heavy Sony 7505s - lack of bass It's a hard balance! I'm looking to get some dough for some better monitors and basically use my Alesis M1Mk2s as just good pumping speakers.

try closing one of the air holes with some cloth or other material. That should temper the low end of these nice speakers. It recommends you doing so in the manual is you have bass problems.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

A previous discussion I had about cuting some low freq's - a bit of a diversion but it may be worth the read. the whole thread is kinda relevant, but this link is the end:
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Originally posted by funkysouls ya.. I think this is it. How do i go about in Reason?

i have no idea how to use reason...
im with cubase.. (used to be on fruity loops but cant remmember shit)

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