Stephen Harper
that is all.

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis Laws only work if the majority follows them. If the masses in society disregard a law, and don't follow it for an extended period of time, then maybe that law should be examined, and such a law should not be a law for long.

i completely agree. This is yet another series of laws and policies that need to be overhauled

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I find it ironic that you, who yourself are against many laws and regulations, one who values their freedom, would be so adamant in this case of completely following the law. Quite convenient isn't it?

while i dont agree with many of our laws, i am still forced to obey them or face consequences if caught. I see no difference in how I view illegal immigration. While i do think legal immigration procedure needs change, i do think that people should obey the law. If you dont like something, either try to have it changed or move.I hate last call and i hate open container laws but you will never see me drinking past 2 or having a beer on a beach in canada. I dont feel like facing the law. It better to try and have it changed.

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The Liberals wanted to give some of these people status, based on a reasonable criteria; are you going to tell me what the Liberals planned was "illegal" and "against" the system currently in place?

the liberals had 13 years to fix immigration policy and they did squat. So they were "going to" do something about this? Well 13 years ago they were also "going to" eliminate the GST and implement national childcare and that never happened either.

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I hope you do realize how the system works right? The system does have a backlog as others have said, and it's a slow process. What about the thousands and thousands of people who have come here legally, but wait YEARS to gain status? What if you're waiting for status, and suddenly you are sent a notice of deportation? You don't have status, and by the current narrow definition, you would be deemed "illegal". Doesn't that seem funny to you?

the law states that to receive "status" you must remain in your origin country. You cannot await immigration status and live in canada unless you are a refugee. One of my friends had to wait 4 years in Argentina before she could move here. Should this change? yes. Should you jump the queue because of it? No.

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Again, as stated before, *a lot* of people don't have the money to come to Canada, and to pay all the accompanying fees. A lot of people also to a lesser extent don't have enough credentials that meet Canada's ignorant immigration policy, which fails to recognize education from many world-class universities.

I dont have money to pay for parking, should i just leave my car on the sidewalk instead?

I dont agree with the immigrant landing fee but i also dont think that this is a legitimate excuse either.

I also agree that more foreign credentials need to be recognized but THAT STILL DOES NOT MEAN THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO IGNORE THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE.

My car can go 200 but im only allowed to do 100 on the highway. According to the logic displayed here, because my car can go 200 i should be allowed to anyways, to hell with everyone else.

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Economically, deporting many of these people will have a detrimental effect to Canada's economy. I think the Conservatives are doing this more to for gaining people's approval, than for any other reasons.

While i dont know the reason why they are picking on europeans, i do know that this is a part of a greater stand on immigration. Harper has already outlined plans to streamline credentials processes to make it easier for doctors and other professionals to practice here. The wheels are already in motion for this. He is also significantly reducing and possibly eliminating the landing fee. These are things that chretien/martin never ever got around to.

Also worth mentioning is how the first act of harper in office was to apologize to chinese canadians about the head tax. Something Mr dithers couldnt be bothered with.

I dont agree with picking on soley europeans (or any other specific ethnic group) but i do agree with making people follow the law and offereing consequences for those who dont.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by evil_cookie Stephen Harper that is all.

who is actually making it easier for LEGITIMATE foreign trained professionals to work and live here.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

How do you know that Europeans are being picked on? I don't see proof anywhere. 2 or 3 high profile stories by the media doesnt mean shit and I'm sorry but for the people who believe this crap, YOU are a tool of the media. Remember when propping up stories like this they have the intention to make others feel sorry for the subject (such as Jayx1), and obviously seeing a white person, most people will relate more to them. Thats just how our society is. And I am a legal EUROPEAN immigrant myuself. Also I would not be surprised at all if there are proportionally more illegal European immigrants than other races --> just look at the people who work cash only jobs and also those involved in organized crime.

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Originally posted by InfinitEuphoria This is the most real thing stated in this thread. EVERY SINGLE one of these cases should be analyized INDIVIDUALLY!!!! Someone being here illegally, may only mean that they have "no status" because the fukin gov'n makes them pay tens of thousands of dollars to plead why they should be here, makes them wait many years (my bf is currently at 5 yrs) to decide whether or not u can stay, during this time u build a life, a home, a job, friends, all valuble aspects of life...and then they tell u u have 2 wks to leave??? Tell me WUT THE FUK DO U DO THEN??? You have no life back at the country u came from, you havent been able to save much money with the lawyer fees, mortgages, and day to day expenses so pretty much the last 5 or so years, have been a waste of time and money. A majority of "these people" don't come here to sit on their asses and live off of our taxes. They come here to get ahead in life, to work hard, support their children and be able to make a good living, because as hard as you work in MANY European countries, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get ahead in life. We shouldn't be throwing these people out, we should be thanking them for helping to build one of the most multi-culturally educated countries in the world.

nicely done...i'm so agree with you.

i have to much to say that i decide to say few lines.. 1) there is few ignorants in this thread which i recomend to start thinking before speaking...

canada is a country of posibility and people come here because of that. they are trying to give a better life to their families. immigrats are doing all the disgusties jobs that some canadians don;t want to do...sorry if i'm offending anybody
but some illegal immigrats are is the process to get a visa and sadly they have to work if they want to eat(the goverment doesn't understant that).the whole process is a pain in the butt but it;s the way it has to be.

how about we send everyone back to wtv they came from, and give back the native americans their land!

"said Melanie Desousa, an Alvez family friend"

LOL Melanie is one of my close friends. No one is affected in my family, but this is pretty ridiculous news, especially with the short notices. In a couple of months or hopefully sooner, Harper will realize what a stupid decision it was. The construction industry will be in high demand for workers...Building completion will be slowed down or even halted. It's totally unfair, especially to those who have been here for 5+ years. My father's friend, who even successfully runs his own business had to be deported..

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Originally posted by jesteraver how about we send everyone back to wtv they came from, and give back the native americans their land!

I come from here... where would i go?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

people are confusing the PRIVELEGE of immigration with the RIGHT of immigration.

Immigration is not a right at all. It is a privelege that countries grant in order TO FULFILL THEIR OWN NEEDS.


The only people who have a full legitimate right to be here are those who are born here. Everyone else has to be granted the privelege.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I agree our immigration laws need to be overhauled bigtime, just like alot of our laws need to. But, do we not need to obey the other laws in the meantime, why should this be so different?

I mean, damn I may not like the fact that I have to pay 30% of my income to the gouvernment, but I still have to. I would love to be able to smoke a joint anywhere and anytime I want, but alas I cannot. Laws may not always be liked, but they are still the laws until changed.

I may not know much about this particular case, but I know quite a few people who have been able to successfully immigrate to Canada the proper way, and it didn't take no 7 years to do so.

Granted, stuff takes longer in a mega-city like Toronto, BUT if I was trying to immigrate myself to a country like Canada from whomever knows where, it would be of top priority to be able to stay in this country. And how do you stay in a country like this, you follow the laws, PERIOD.

Deport on all the gangsters, they take up too much space on public transportation because they wear baggy pants.

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis I find it ironic that you, who yourself are against many laws and regulations, one who values their freedom, would be so adamant in this case of completely following the law. Quite convenient isn't it? The Liberals wanted to give some of these people status, based on a reasonable criteria; are you going to tell me what the Liberals planned was "illegal" and "against" the system currently in place?

I'm glad you stated that fact that a "no-status" (the government is yet to say yes or no, this is the VERY LENGTHY process) = an "illegal". This is the MOST ANNOYING, IGNORANT and FRUSTERATING part. They can send you that letter whenever they please. Just imagine what you would do at that point.

JAYx1: so I'm guessing you abide by all of Canada's rules right? BULLSHIT

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