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Originally posted by djdk probably not for the average person, but i reckon it will for us djs, i mean lets be honest, i think everyone here would prefer to buy their tracks in wav format if the storage space/transfer time issue didnt exist.

I'd buy in FLAC, compression doesn't have to be lossy!

What you have to realise about mp3 is that it is designed for home use, not clubs.

But if you redesigned a compression technology for clubs you could make a good result.

EDIT: If anyone wants I could explain how it works?

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Originally posted by Dervish What you have to realise about mp3 is that it is designed for home use, not clubs. But if you redesigned a compression technology for clubs you could make a good result. EDIT: If anyone wants I could explain how it works?

Not sure what you mean by designed for home use, mp3 was designed to give the most accurate audio reproduction for a given bitrate.

High bitrate mp3 files are fine for a club, any of the imperfections in the sound are much easier to hear at home than in a club environment where there is heaps of volume, heaps of reverb in the room, and heaps of compression.

Of course once you go down below about 192k the bottom end of a track starts to get eaten away at from the compression, this is very noticable in a club because of the low playing subs they have.

AND, as I already said FLAC is a great choice for djs because its lossless compression!

thanks for all your replies. they are shedding more input on the matter.

however. a lot have stated that mp3's give music back to the listener and this is a good thing. so would you have said that as it is having an affect on the salaries of corperate big guns, they may be forced to leave the music industry due to lack of earnings.

this would make me happy! - less manufactured 'pop idol' style shite. but dont you think music may suffer if these big guns are nt pushing stuff onto everyone?

or will it be only the 'boring' general public who base their lives around buying(but more than likely, downloading for free) this commercial shit. AND in affect kill the source of the commercial shit they love?

will more underground styles like edm go reletively untouched? or will our 'reletively non profit' style music end up being labels along with every other style..

if you know what im getting at..

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Originally posted by richg101 thanks for all your replies. they are shedding more input on the matter. however. a lot have stated that mp3's give music back to the listener and this is a good thing. so would you have said that as it is having an affect on the salaries of corperate big guns, they may be forced to leave the music industry due to lack of earnings. this would make me happy! - less manufactured 'pop idol' style shite. but dont you think music may suffer if these big guns are nt pushing stuff onto everyone? or will it be only the 'boring' general public who base their lives around buying(but more than likely, downloading for free) this commercial shit. AND in affect kill the source of the commercial shit they love? will more underground styles like edm go reletively untouched? or will our 'reletively non profit' style music end up being labels along with every other style.. if you know what im getting at..

No i dont think music will suffer, the commercial pop shit wont dissapear, it will just be making less money for the big record companies. Plus, consumers who liked the commercial stuff are now venturing into different genres and finding stuff they like that they didnt even know existed! thats what i have observed anyway.

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Originally posted by Dervish EDIT: If anyone wants I could explain how it works?

good god please no, im writing a paper on perceptual coding atm and its doing my head in lol.

Nic: i didnt think about FLAC, good point, although I still think from a DJs perspective having a non-compressed version of the file would be preferrable. I know that its lossless so will be the same, but i think many people wont quite get it iykwim?

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Originally posted by djdk good god please no, im writing a paper on perceptual coding atm and its doing my head in lol. Nic: i didnt think about FLAC, good point, although I still think from a DJs perspective having a non-compressed version of the file would be preferrable. I know that its lossless so will be the same, but i think many people wont quite get it iykwim?

Whats not to get? people use lossless compression all the time, winzip, png, even dvds use compression.

The only reason WAV would be preferable over FLAC is that WAV is more widely supported.

hey richg101 wanna post your essay here after your done writing it ?

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Originally posted by Nic Not sure what you mean by designed for home use, mp3 was designed to give the most accurate audio reproduction for a given bitrate.

What I mean is the model of the human ear which was used was based upon basicly using headphones.

MP3 operates by using this model to dictate how much resolution it gives to a given freqency. For example in a frequency specturm if there is a loud single frequency in one area the frequecies next to that can have the resolution dropped "without" (i.e. only realy less likely) the ear detecting it.

Also frequecnies near the edge of the detectable range of human hearing have lower resolution. (well it kinda used this weird curve rather than simple side bits, an it depends on the encoder, but the decoder just intuatively decodes the resolutions and bit depths and that)

(note I'm kinda semi-drunk typing this)

If I remember correctly:

(Normal Time Domain Anolouge) >Digitise> (Time Domain Digital) > DFT > (Freqency Domain Digital) > MP3 Algorithm which uses a model of the human ear based upon headphones practicly -maybe and exaderation but hey- > (MP3) > transmit > MP3 ----then the reverse----

But basicly in a club you are talking about a totally different kind of system:

1) The "room" is TOTALLY different, with refections and reverb and so on...

2) The sytem providing the sound is more powerfull and able to express the low end properlly... to the extent of moving air. (when I got a go on the MoS system your eye balls blured on the beat with the pressure difference LOL now I KNOW if it had been MP3 that would have been chucked away).

If any of that made sence congratuaions to me.

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Originally posted by Nic Of course once you go down below about 192k the bottom end of a track starts to get eaten away at from the compression, this is very noticable in a club because of the low playing subs they have.

Hahaha I just totally missed that, and wrote a huge essay to explain that lol.

Sooooooooooo unlike me. ...not

EDIT: I still blame booze.

Well mp3's didn't exist when I first got into electronic music, so I only listened to what I could get hold of (through swapping/copying tapes and stuff). It's understandable that someone being introduced to a genre for the first time would wish to immerse themselves in a wide selection of the music. With mp3s this is quick and easy.

As a producer, mp3s are a lifesaver. If there was no "digital revolution", and mp3s and the Internet didn't exist, I'd be forced into hassling DJs with CD-Rs. But as we are, I can easily release my music in the public domain. The other side of the coin though, if I didn't want my music spread into the public domain it would be difficult (or impossible) to stop this from happening.

But luckily I want people to hear my music! [PRODUCT PLACEMENT] ...so be sure to check out my site at www.ambiamusic.com

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