Solution: Read your own books about the subject matter and ask difficult questions and pwn her in class.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ But when your job requires you to know historical events... the 700+ that you paid for that class would be pointless. In your idea, why even goto school?

simple.

to make more money in the long run. most jobs these days recquire a bachlors degree and i don't plan on being a bum doing construction or whatever jobs that are out there that don't recquire a degree.

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Originally posted by sot simple. to make more money in the long run. most jobs these days recquire a bachlors degree and i don't plan on being a bum doing construction or whatever jobs that are out there that don't recquire a degree.

The average garbage man makes more than the average teacher.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT The average garbage man makes more than the average teacher.

They gotta give them SOME incentive to do that shit

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Professors should not be held to a different standard than any other educator.

professors aren't just "any other educator"; if they were, they wouldn't need doctorates and wouldn't face the pressure to publish books, articles and present at conferences.

maybe your prof. did get lazy after tenure -- i'm sure many of us have seen it happen. the importance of tenure, however, easily dwarfs the teaching habits of one subpar instructor. if you're unfamiliar with why tenure exists, read up on its german origins (lehrfreiheit) or its appearance in american universities following a 19th c. controversy at stanford.

i'm not sure where you go to school, but at most level a-1 research universities, a professor's primary responsibility is to her own research, department, and graduate students. if you want to go to a school where undergraduate teaching is valued most, try a smaller liberal arts college.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT The average garbage man makes more than the average teacher.

that is true. i don't plan on being a teacher. in all honesty, i could probably never be one. just not in me. i'm in it to make decent living and keeping my options open. best way in my eyes, get a degree.

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Originally posted by Konijn i'm not sure where you go to school, but at most level a-1 research universities, a professor's primary responsibility is to her own research, department, and graduate students. if you want to go to a school where undergraduate teaching is valued most, try a smaller liberal arts college.

Yeah... that's where I am.

She isn't a researcher. She isn't well published. And she's teaching two courses this semester.

She heads no committee. She's listed as the adviser not only to no club or student organization, but also isn't a student advisor.

If you're going to try and tell me that, in this case, her tenure is more important than my education, then we'll disagree to the end.

Edit: And for the record, you're taking my comment on "any other educator" out of context. If you feel that professors are in fact educators of any sort, then they should be held to the same basic standards as all educators. If you can't hack your research/writing on top of your student/course load that's your own fault, and students shouldn't suffer for it.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT The average garbage man makes more than the average teacher.

not in college though. a phd gets you around $100k even in a shitty college.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Yeah... that's where I am. She isn't a researcher. She isn't well published. And she's teaching two courses this semester. She heads no committee. She's listed as the adviser not only to no club or student organization, but also isn't a student advisor. If you're going to try and tell me that, in this case, her tenure is more important than my education, then we'll disagree to the end.

you should grade her really bad at the end of the semester and ask you classmates to do the same, to make her go under the educational review. but yeah, if such a professor has a tenure at a top college, than it's a shame.

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Originally posted by Jocker not in college though. a phd gets you around $100k even in a shitty college.

No, it doesn't. There's a floor full of professors in their offices directly above me who would certainly love to be seeing their $100k.

Pay is relative to a lot of variables, a doctorate does not simply get you a $100k paycheck.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT If you're going to try and tell me that, in this case, her tenure is more important than my education, then we'll disagree to the end.

her tenure might not be more important than your education but tenure writ large is.

having a shitty teacher at a liberal arts school is indeed a shame as it kind of defeats the purpose of the school...

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