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Originally posted by josh4 If Iran shows this much disregard for the sanctions placed on them, then yes it is enough to be worried and not trust them - especially when we're talking about nuclear activity.

i totally agree. as previously stated, if their aims are civil, not military, why isnt there a higher degree of transparency?

in my local paper it was printed iran is planning to build 54,000 centrifuges, which seems to meet the requirement of

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It takes thousands operating continuously for a year to have major output and 10,000s to get seriously into the weapons grade production.

not that my local paper is the greatest news source on earth or anything

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not that my local paper is the greatest news source on earth or anything

no, it's breaking news. some General Dipshit said it on there government run TV show. 3000 centrifuges by the end of the year with a 54,000 unit goal.

the numbers are arbitrary if you ask me. if Pakistan can do it from scratch inside a decade then Iran, with all their cash and A-Queer Khan, can do it much faster.

I really don't think Iran will ever get to have this technology which is a shame for the Iranian people.

Currently the US is completing a massive ordinance, I believe is called "Big Blue." It can penetrate into reinforced concrete and destroy bunkers at depths of 60m. This means the US can bomb the research bunkers w/o using nukes. If Iran gets close to to having enough rods for a bomb, the US is obviously going to bomb them or let Israel bomb them.

On the subject of Iran not using the weapon on Israel because of the consequences: I don't think Israel or the US would retaliate with nukes. They wouldn't want to kill random civilians. A ground invasion would surely follow with collateral civilian deaths but theres no way an array of nukes would fall on the Iranian people. Their president knows this, so for him to basically destroy Israel with the consequence of an occupation which would probably be lifted after years of Iranian insurgency isn't that far fetched.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Dopey If Iran gets close to to having enough rods for a bomb

rods?

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Originally posted by Q5echo rods?

sorry enriches enough uranium...i guess iran doesnt dabble in plutonium yet? whatever its all the same death

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by habsfan Look Raistlin (good name btw), I know more nukes is a bad thing. But I think people need to put themselves in Iran's shoes. You're Iran. The US has been meddling in your affairs for 50 years, they invade your neighbour, prop up a puppet regime to serve their interest, claim that YOU are in the "axis of evil", and start spurting out loads of propaganda that you're developing nukes, support terrorists, want to destroy Israel, etc. This is all leading to something isn't it? There's a reason behind it. They want something - whether that something is oil, dollar hegemony, so-called "stability" in the region, whatever. They are preparing the American public just like they prepared them for Iraq. So if you were Iran, you look at history. You see what's happened. You know where you stand. Wouldn't YOU want a deterrent. Something, anything to avoid getting trampled? Yes, nukes are bad, but what else would deter the US? Again, I'm not advocating nuclear proliferation. I'm simply asking you to step back, and look at it through Iran's point of view.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Iran is literelly fed up with all the US tamperings it tries to do to Iran (which they fail miserably i might add) but the problem is that alot of people just do not understand this. I mean there is just heaps of stupid people on this board that are just over confident over Americas stand that they even back the Bush administration to thinking military action is necessary when they literelly don't know much about Iran, and why Iran is so fed up with Israel and its puppet America.

The history and the cover ups America and Israel do towards Iran are pretty dark. The problem is that heaps of Iranians know this, many other countries know this.

Secrets, secrets are what is making Iran so furious, One example is the Shah Reza's death. In wikipedia, everywhere they mention he died with a heart attack or a sudden health problem, the real truth was he was murdered by the British government, now thats just one example of cover-ups they do to give a different story to the world public. There is so much more meddling US, Israel, Britain do in Iranian affairs that this whole nuclear conflict is not suprising.

Another big situation in which every single Iranian knows is how the mullahs came into power, through US and British cooperation. It was said and many people know this as a power to weaken the Iranian people. It seemed to have back-fired in America and Britians face when the Iranian people broke through that and stood up to them, resulting in all the bullying, terrorist name calling and all the mumbo jumbo you hear on TV.

Mohammed Mossadegh was also another leader before Shah Reza, he was murdered because he gave all the profits of oil back to it's people. It was said he was killed by Shah Reza's father who was helping Britain. When Britian appointed Shah Reza, he was fine until he wanted to help the people and again resulting in his murder by Britain.

Seriously if people really believe that America, Israel and Britain are the victims in this game, your dead wrong.

There is much more consipiracies that are going on and is the backbone to all the fire that rages in Iran towards the west.

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Originally posted by Lemonad Couldn't have said it better myself, Iran is literelly fed up with all the US tamperings it tries to do to Iran (which they fail miserably i might add) but the problem is that alot of people just do not understand this. I mean there is just heaps of stupid people on this board that are just over confident over Americas stand that they even back the Bush administration to thinking military action is necessary when they literelly don't know much about Iran, and why Iran is so fed up with Israel and its puppet America. The history and the cover ups America and Israel do towards Iran are pretty dark. The problem is that heaps of Iranians know this, many other countries know this. Secrets, secrets are what is making Iran so furious, One example is the Shah Reza's death. In wikipedia, everywhere they mention he died with a heart attack or a sudden health problem, the real truth was he was murdered by the British government, now thats just one example of cover-ups they do to give a different story to the world public. There is so much more meddling US, Israel, Britain do in Iranian affairs that this whole nuclear conflict is not suprising. Another big situation in which every single Iranian knows is how the mullahs came into power, through US and British cooperation. It was said and many people know this as a power to weaken the Iranian people. It seemed to have back-fired in America and Britians face when the Iranian people broke through that and stood up to them, resulting in all the bullying, terrorist name calling and all the mumbo jumbo you hear on TV. Mohammed Mossadegh was also another leader before Shah Reza, he was murdered because he gave all the profits of oil back to it's people. It was said he was killed by Shah Reza's father who was helping Britain. When Britian appointed Shah Reza, he was fine until he wanted to help the people and again resulting in his murder by Britain. Seriously if people really believe that America, Israel and Britain are the victims in this game, your dead wrong. There is much more consipiracies that are going on and is the backbone to all the fire that rages in Iran towards the west.

wow awesome reply.you nailed it.

I have a feeling that most people here will call you names and wont believe what you saying.All those things that you mentioned above are real facts and every Iranian knows this.
America Fucked Iran many times in the past and now Iran is standing up and defending their rights.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer wow

shut up.

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Originally said by Habsfan start spurting out loads of propaganda that you're developing nukes, support terrorists, want to destroy Israel, etc.

you may have had a point if none of that "propaganda" wasn't true.

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Originally posted by Q5echo shut up.

Brilliant response . Out of all the regulars, you make the least sense and resort to personal attacks or rudeness.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Originally posted by Q5echo you may have had a point if none of that "propaganda" wasn't true.

Propoganda? You mean like your ever so dear leader Bush and the rest of his administration?

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller